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Post by buspete on Jun 22, 2024 11:46:56 GMT
Years ago you had to travel into London to sometimes continue your journey, this was often tedious and slow. So a good example as a kid 40 years ago when my family travelled from Sidcup to Bury St Edmunds to see my Nan, we travelled by train to London Bridge then crossed London to Liverpool Street, then a train to Cambridge/Ipswich and a change there, a very laborious journey. I wouldn’t do the same journey now, if I had to it today.
So given how successful Stratford has been, it is one of the countries busiest stations. Every train that passed through Stratford should stop there. So all Norwich trains.
So thinking Clapham Junction could be the same, every train that passes through there should stop there. I agree in the long term get Crossrail 2 done and Northern Line extended there. So all Gatwick Express train and Weymouth trains.
The new Old Oak Common Station could be a super station, so every train that leaves Paddington could stops there, if there is a good case to do so and if there is enough Platforms to facilitate this.
I would say the same for Finsbury Park, however the underground and Thameslink that serves Finsbury Park, already serve Kings Cross so no value in doing this.
A good example and I have mentioned this on here before, when the Jubilee was going to be extended it was proposed to have a station at Fenchurch Street, which provides a great interchange with C2C. However the subsequent Jubilee extention goes now to West Ham which also provides a great interchange with C2C, but also gives a more beneficial stops to Waterloo/London Bridge, by dodging Fenchurch Street and the same connections are possible at West Ham!
So this thread is all about the long term, what could be achieved in 20-30 years time or longer. It’s not a quick fix thread.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jul 12, 2024 17:08:38 GMT
East Croydon while not on a par with Stratford and Clapham Junction is still a major interchange with services serving various destinations across the south, plus Watford Junction, Luton, Bedford and Cambridge.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 12, 2024 17:14:35 GMT
Years ago you had to travel into London to sometimes continue your journey, this was often tedious and slow. So a good example as a kid 40 years ago when my family travelled from Sidcup to Bury St Edmunds to see my Nan, we travelled by train to London Bridge then crossed London to Liverpool Street, then a train to Cambridge/Ipswich and a change there, a very laborious journey. I wouldn’t do the same journey now, if I had to it today. So given how successful Stratford has been, it is one of the countries busiest stations. Every train that passed through Stratford should stop there. So all Norwich trains. So thinking Clapham Junction could be the same, every train that passes through there should stop there. I agree in the long term get Crossrail 2 done and Northern Line extended there. So all Gatwick Express train and Weymouth trains. The new Old Oak Common Station could be a super station, so every train that leaves Paddington could stops there, if there is a good case to do so and if there is enough Platforms to facilitate this. I would say the same for Finsbury Park, however the underground and Thameslink that serves Finsbury Park, already serve Kings Cross so no value in doing this. A good example and I have mentioned this on here before, when the Jubilee was going to be extended it was proposed to have a station at Fenchurch Street, which provides a great interchange with C2C. However the subsequent Jubilee extention goes now to West Ham which also provides a great interchange with C2C, but also gives a more beneficial stops to Waterloo/London Bridge, by dodging Fenchurch Street and the same connections are possible at West Ham! So this thread is all about the long term, what could be achieved in 20-30 years time or longer. It’s not a quick fix thread. There are some stations outside London that fulfill this "Super-Station" brief, the most obvious being Reading which is at a strategic location on the national rail network. Very few trains do not stop there.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jul 12, 2024 18:14:25 GMT
Years ago you had to travel into London to sometimes continue your journey, this was often tedious and slow. So a good example as a kid 40 years ago when my family travelled from Sidcup to Bury St Edmunds to see my Nan, we travelled by train to London Bridge then crossed London to Liverpool Street, then a train to Cambridge/Ipswich and a change there, a very laborious journey. I wouldn’t do the same journey now, if I had to it today. So given how successful Stratford has been, it is one of the countries busiest stations. Every train that passed through Stratford should stop there. So all Norwich trains. So thinking Clapham Junction could be the same, every train that passes through there should stop there. I agree in the long term get Crossrail 2 done and Northern Line extended there. So all Gatwick Express train and Weymouth trains. The new Old Oak Common Station could be a super station, so every train that leaves Paddington could stops there, if there is a good case to do so and if there is enough Platforms to facilitate this. I would say the same for Finsbury Park, however the underground and Thameslink that serves Finsbury Park, already serve Kings Cross so no value in doing this. A good example and I have mentioned this on here before, when the Jubilee was going to be extended it was proposed to have a station at Fenchurch Street, which provides a great interchange with C2C. However the subsequent Jubilee extention goes now to West Ham which also provides a great interchange with C2C, but also gives a more beneficial stops to Waterloo/London Bridge, by dodging Fenchurch Street and the same connections are possible at West Ham! So this thread is all about the long term, what could be achieved in 20-30 years time or longer. It’s not a quick fix thread. There are some stations outside London that fulfill this "Super-Station" brief, the most obvious being Reading which is at a strategic location on the national rail network. Very few trains do not stop there. And I believe the furthest west a TfL operated service operates to.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 12, 2024 21:06:29 GMT
Years ago you had to travel into London to sometimes continue your journey, this was often tedious and slow. So a good example as a kid 40 years ago when my family travelled from Sidcup to Bury St Edmunds to see my Nan, we travelled by train to London Bridge then crossed London to Liverpool Street, then a train to Cambridge/Ipswich and a change there, a very laborious journey. I wouldn’t do the same journey now, if I had to it today. So given how successful Stratford has been, it is one of the countries busiest stations. Every train that passed through Stratford should stop there. So all Norwich trains. So thinking Clapham Junction could be the same, every train that passes through there should stop there. I agree in the long term get Crossrail 2 done and Northern Line extended there. So all Gatwick Express train and Weymouth trains. The new Old Oak Common Station could be a super station, so every train that leaves Paddington could stops there, if there is a good case to do so and if there is enough Platforms to facilitate this. I would say the same for Finsbury Park, however the underground and Thameslink that serves Finsbury Park, already serve Kings Cross so no value in doing this. A good example and I have mentioned this on here before, when the Jubilee was going to be extended it was proposed to have a station at Fenchurch Street, which provides a great interchange with C2C. However the subsequent Jubilee extention goes now to West Ham which also provides a great interchange with C2C, but also gives a more beneficial stops to Waterloo/London Bridge, by dodging Fenchurch Street and the same connections are possible at West Ham! So this thread is all about the long term, what could be achieved in 20-30 years time or longer. It’s not a quick fix thread. Stratford and Clapham Junction are clearly the main examples, but I think there should ideally be similar hubs for the other main rail routes. Old Oak Common I think is likely to have all Paddington trains stop there (maybe not Heathrow Express), though plans could change depending on HS2. However an important point here is that the WCML runs very close by, so there is a huge missed opportunity not to include Euston trains into the development. Willesden Junction seems the obvious choice to create another Stratford/Clapham style hub station, already providing good connections between the current services there, and Overground services would provide a one stop connection to Old Oak Common for further interchange (similar to the DLR connecting Stratford to Stratford International). All it would take is constructing extra platforms on the WCML, at least on the semi-fast lines. This would allow LNR trains from Watford/Tring/Milton Keynes to have direct interchange to orbital Overground routes, as well as the Bakerloo via Paddington. Direct connections to Clapham Junction could also allow the current Southern service to be withdrawn, which is quite an unusual service with limited potential at the moment at only 1tph. Instead you could have 4+ tph from Watford/Harrow to Willesden Junction, then maybe 6tph Overground to Clapham. And there's also the proposed West London Orbital passing nearby. The planned route is quite confusing when alongside the existing Richmond/Clapham routes, and I think combined they could be simplified into two revised routes. The 'Mildmay line' could operate all trains from Stratford through to South Acton, then alternating between terminating at Richmond or Hounslow. And Clapham trains would form a new line, approaching Willesden Junction from the south using the Southern tracks to serve new platforms parallel to the WCML, then a new curve of track added at Harlesden to connect to cross over the WCML, and continue through to Brent Cross West. West Hampstead could also work well as another hub station, with connections including the lines into Marylebone and St Pancras - there have been proposals before to somehow incorporate the three stations into one. While this isn't entirely practical at the moment with West End Lane in between, the redevelopments behind the O2 centre could provide an opportunity to relocate the stations eastwards slightly into a single interchange.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 12, 2024 21:13:13 GMT
Years ago you had to travel into London to sometimes continue your journey, this was often tedious and slow. So a good example as a kid 40 years ago when my family travelled from Sidcup to Bury St Edmunds to see my Nan, we travelled by train to London Bridge then crossed London to Liverpool Street, then a train to Cambridge/Ipswich and a change there, a very laborious journey. I wouldn’t do the same journey now, if I had to it today. So given how successful Stratford has been, it is one of the countries busiest stations. Every train that passed through Stratford should stop there. So all Norwich trains. So thinking Clapham Junction could be the same, every train that passes through there should stop there. I agree in the long term get Crossrail 2 done and Northern Line extended there. So all Gatwick Express train and Weymouth trains. The new Old Oak Common Station could be a super station, so every train that leaves Paddington could stops there, if there is a good case to do so and if there is enough Platforms to facilitate this. I would say the same for Finsbury Park, however the underground and Thameslink that serves Finsbury Park, already serve Kings Cross so no value in doing this. A good example and I have mentioned this on here before, when the Jubilee was going to be extended it was proposed to have a station at Fenchurch Street, which provides a great interchange with C2C. However the subsequent Jubilee extention goes now to West Ham which also provides a great interchange with C2C, but also gives a more beneficial stops to Waterloo/London Bridge, by dodging Fenchurch Street and the same connections are possible at West Ham! So this thread is all about the long term, what could be achieved in 20-30 years time or longer. It’s not a quick fix thread. Stratford and Clapham Junction are clearly the main examples, but I think there should ideally be similar hubs for the other main rail routes. Old Oak Common I think is likely to have all Paddington trains stop there (maybe not Heathrow Express), though plans could change depending on HS2. However an important point here is that the WCML runs very close by, so there is a huge missed opportunity not to include Euston trains into the development. Willesden Junction seems the obvious choice to create another Stratford/Clapham style hub station, already providing good connections between the current services there, and Overground services would provide a one stop connection to Old Oak Common for further interchange (similar to the DLR connecting Stratford to Stratford International). All it would take is constructing extra platforms on the WCML, at least on the semi-fast lines. This would allow LNR trains from Watford/Tring/Milton Keynes to have direct interchange to orbital Overground routes, as well as the Bakerloo via Paddington. Direct connections to Clapham Junction could also allow the current Southern service to be withdrawn, which is quite an unusual service with limited potential at the moment at only 1tph. Instead you could have 4+ tph from Watford/Harrow to Willesden Junction, then maybe 6tph Overground to Clapham. And there's also the proposed West London Orbital passing nearby. The planned route is quite confusing when alongside the existing Richmond/Clapham routes, and I think combined they could be simplified into two revised routes. The 'Mildmay line' could operate all trains from Stratford through to South Acton, then alternating between terminating at Richmond or Hounslow. And Clapham trains would form a new line, approaching Willesden Junction from the south using the Southern tracks to serve new platforms parallel to the WCML, then a new curve of track added at Harlesden to connect to cross over the WCML, and continue through to Brent Cross West. West Hampstead could also work well as another hub station, with connections including the lines into Marylebone and St Pancras - there have been proposals before to somehow incorporate the three stations into one. While this isn't entirely practical at the moment with West End Lane in between, the redevelopments behind the O2 centre could provide an opportunity to relocate the stations eastwards slightly into a single interchange. I think the biggest issue is that you can't just create 'hub' stations. Seeing as Stratford and Clapham Junction are good examples of such it's probably safe to say that outer London hubs are effectively your category B Stations which are classified as regional interchanges and that have over 2M in usage. In London that would leave the following as Category B Barking Bromley South Clapham Junciton East Croydon Richmond Stratford Surbiton Vauxhall Waterloo East Wimbledon Just for comparison most London Terminals are in Category A, alongside other major terminals such as Birmingham New Street, Manchester Piccadilly, Leeds and Edinburgh Waverley
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 13, 2024 8:55:25 GMT
Stratford and Clapham Junction are clearly the main examples, but I think there should ideally be similar hubs for the other main rail routes. Old Oak Common I think is likely to have all Paddington trains stop there (maybe not Heathrow Express), though plans could change depending on HS2. However an important point here is that the WCML runs very close by, so there is a huge missed opportunity not to include Euston trains into the development. Willesden Junction seems the obvious choice to create another Stratford/Clapham style hub station, already providing good connections between the current services there, and Overground services would provide a one stop connection to Old Oak Common for further interchange (similar to the DLR connecting Stratford to Stratford International). All it would take is constructing extra platforms on the WCML, at least on the semi-fast lines. This would allow LNR trains from Watford/Tring/Milton Keynes to have direct interchange to orbital Overground routes, as well as the Bakerloo via Paddington. Direct connections to Clapham Junction could also allow the current Southern service to be withdrawn, which is quite an unusual service with limited potential at the moment at only 1tph. Instead you could have 4+ tph from Watford/Harrow to Willesden Junction, then maybe 6tph Overground to Clapham. And there's also the proposed West London Orbital passing nearby. The planned route is quite confusing when alongside the existing Richmond/Clapham routes, and I think combined they could be simplified into two revised routes. The 'Mildmay line' could operate all trains from Stratford through to South Acton, then alternating between terminating at Richmond or Hounslow. And Clapham trains would form a new line, approaching Willesden Junction from the south using the Southern tracks to serve new platforms parallel to the WCML, then a new curve of track added at Harlesden to connect to cross over the WCML, and continue through to Brent Cross West. West Hampstead could also work well as another hub station, with connections including the lines into Marylebone and St Pancras - there have been proposals before to somehow incorporate the three stations into one. While this isn't entirely practical at the moment with West End Lane in between, the redevelopments behind the O2 centre could provide an opportunity to relocate the stations eastwards slightly into a single interchange. I think the biggest issue is that you can't just create 'hub' stations. Seeing as Stratford and Clapham Junction are good examples of such it's probably safe to say that outer London hubs are effectively your category B Stations which are classified as regional interchanges and that have over 2M in usage. In London that would leave the following as Category B Barking Bromley South Clapham Junciton East Croydon Richmond Stratford Surbiton Vauxhall Waterloo East Wimbledon Just for comparison most London Terminals are in Category A, alongside other major terminals such as Birmingham New Street, Manchester Piccadilly, Leeds and Edinburgh Waverley Barking needs a complete from the ground up rebuild and could be a very good super hub station especially if the Overground gets extended to South of the River but currently it struggles due to the lack of exits and the platforms are wonky and bent and it's just very rundown and poorly designed for the current situation unfortunately even with the refurb works . West Ham also needs some form of rebuild for the future as the c2c platforms struggle very badly during the peaks , I think 10/12 car trains on the Tilbury Lines could alleviate some of the extra passengers thoigh and provide more capacity, the platforms were all extended in like 2008 yet a full length train has never ran in service , but I'm assuming there will be a new entrance into the Twelvetrees Estate at West Ham .
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 13, 2024 15:29:50 GMT
I think the biggest issue is that you can't just create 'hub' stations. Seeing as Stratford and Clapham Junction are good examples of such it's probably safe to say that outer London hubs are effectively your category B Stations which are classified as regional interchanges and that have over 2M in usage. In London that would leave the following as Category B Barking Bromley South Clapham Junciton East Croydon Richmond Stratford Surbiton Vauxhall Waterloo East Wimbledon Just for comparison most London Terminals are in Category A, alongside other major terminals such as Birmingham New Street, Manchester Piccadilly, Leeds and Edinburgh Waverley Barking needs a complete from the ground up rebuild and could be a very good super hub station especially if the Overground gets extended to South of the River but currently it struggles due to the lack of exits and the platforms are wonky and bent and it's just very rundown and poorly designed for the current situation unfortunately even with the refurb works . West Ham also needs some form of rebuild for the future as the c2c platforms struggle very badly during the peaks , I think 10/12 car trains on the Tilbury Lines could alleviate some of the extra passengers thoigh and provide more capacity, the platforms were all extended in like 2008 yet a full length train has never ran in service , but I'm assuming there will be a new entrance into the Twelvetrees Estate at West Ham . I would completely agree, Barking is a horrible dank and desolate station that does nothing to attract visitors to the town. I used to go fairly regularly for work and it’s awful. Never spent more than two minutes there before jumping into a cab.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 13, 2024 22:36:58 GMT
Barking needs a complete from the ground up rebuild and could be a very good super hub station especially if the Overground gets extended to South of the River but currently it struggles due to the lack of exits and the platforms are wonky and bent and it's just very rundown and poorly designed for the current situation unfortunately even with the refurb works . West Ham also needs some form of rebuild for the future as the c2c platforms struggle very badly during the peaks , I think 10/12 car trains on the Tilbury Lines could alleviate some of the extra passengers thoigh and provide more capacity, the platforms were all extended in like 2008 yet a full length train has never ran in service , but I'm assuming there will be a new entrance into the Twelvetrees Estate at West Ham . I would completely agree, Barking is a horrible dank and desolate station that does nothing to attract visitors to the town. I used to go fairly regularly for work and it’s awful. Never spent more than two minutes there before jumping into a cab. it's suffering from a multitude of problems. Someone seems to have ditched the building works, so now there's only one working gate line that's smaller than the original set. It really should have all been done by now but the hoardings are up making it a very unpleasant experience. People always keep urinating in the subway and there's not much care given to what's going on down there. The platforms are far too small to deal with the crowds. Someone at c2c has a very stupid idea to have a lot of Barking skippers in the rush hour and all this leads to is dangerous overcrowding on the platforms as Barking is the second busiest station on the line. So when a train finally pulls up it's just utter carnage to get on and people don't let the doors close until they've squished on somehow. That's not even then mentioning the disaster that happens when a c2c train, LO train and underground train all pull up once and hundreds of people try to pile through 4 ticket barriers.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 14, 2024 21:28:44 GMT
Years ago you had to travel into London to sometimes continue your journey, this was often tedious and slow. So a good example as a kid 40 years ago when my family travelled from Sidcup to Bury St Edmunds to see my Nan, we travelled by train to London Bridge then crossed London to Liverpool Street, then a train to Cambridge/Ipswich and a change there, a very laborious journey. I wouldn’t do the same journey now, if I had to it today. So given how successful Stratford has been, it is one of the countries busiest stations. Every train that passed through Stratford should stop there. So all Norwich trains. So thinking Clapham Junction could be the same, every train that passes through there should stop there. I agree in the long term get Crossrail 2 done and Northern Line extended there. So all Gatwick Express train and Weymouth trains. The new Old Oak Common Station could be a super station, so every train that leaves Paddington could stops there, if there is a good case to do so and if there is enough Platforms to facilitate this. I would say the same for Finsbury Park, however the underground and Thameslink that serves Finsbury Park, already serve Kings Cross so no value in doing this. A good example and I have mentioned this on here before, when the Jubilee was going to be extended it was proposed to have a station at Fenchurch Street, which provides a great interchange with C2C. However the subsequent Jubilee extention goes now to West Ham which also provides a great interchange with C2C, but also gives a more beneficial stops to Waterloo/London Bridge, by dodging Fenchurch Street and the same connections are possible at West Ham! So this thread is all about the long term, what could be achieved in 20-30 years time or longer. It’s not a quick fix thread. Stratford and Clapham Junction are clearly the main examples, but I think there should ideally be similar hubs for the other main rail routes. Old Oak Common I think is likely to have all Paddington trains stop there (maybe not Heathrow Express), though plans could change depending on HS2. However an important point here is that the WCML runs very close by, so there is a huge missed opportunity not to include Euston trains into the development. Willesden Junction seems the obvious choice to create another Stratford/Clapham style hub station, already providing good connections between the current services there, and Overground services would provide a one stop connection to Old Oak Common for further interchange (similar to the DLR connecting Stratford to Stratford International). All it would take is constructing extra platforms on the WCML, at least on the semi-fast lines. This would allow LNR trains from Watford/Tring/Milton Keynes to have direct interchange to orbital Overground routes, as well as the Bakerloo via Paddington. Direct connections to Clapham Junction could also allow the current Southern service to be withdrawn, which is quite an unusual service with limited potential at the moment at only 1tph. Instead you could have 4+ tph from Watford/Harrow to Willesden Junction, then maybe 6tph Overground to Clapham. And there's also the proposed West London Orbital passing nearby. The planned route is quite confusing when alongside the existing Richmond/Clapham routes, and I think combined they could be simplified into two revised routes. The 'Mildmay line' could operate all trains from Stratford through to South Acton, then alternating between terminating at Richmond or Hounslow. And Clapham trains would form a new line, approaching Willesden Junction from the south using the Southern tracks to serve new platforms parallel to the WCML, then a new curve of track added at Harlesden to connect to cross over the WCML, and continue through to Brent Cross West. West Hampstead could also work well as another hub station, with connections including the lines into Marylebone and St Pancras - there have been proposals before to somehow incorporate the three stations into one. While this isn't entirely practical at the moment with West End Lane in between, the redevelopments behind the O2 centre could provide an opportunity to relocate the stations eastwards slightly into a single interchange. I know back in the day there was even discussion to stop the Met line at a combined West Hampstead station so that really would have made it a hub. The Met line would have no longer stopped at Finchley Road had it gone ahead.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 15, 2024 10:31:36 GMT
West Hampstead could also work well as another hub station, with connections including the lines into Marylebone and St Pancras - there have been proposals before to somehow incorporate the three stations into one. While this isn't entirely practical at the moment with West End Lane in between, the redevelopments behind the O2 centre could provide an opportunity to relocate the stations eastwards slightly into a single interchange. I know back in the day there was even discussion to stop the Met line at a combined West Hampstead station so that really would have made it a hub. The Met line would have no longer stopped at Finchley Road had it gone ahead. If there was the budget for a more substantial rebuild, you could even create one new station in the middle to replace all the existing West Hampstead and Finchley Road stations?
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 15, 2024 11:01:33 GMT
I know back in the day there was even discussion to stop the Met line at a combined West Hampstead station so that really would have made it a hub. The Met line would have no longer stopped at Finchley Road had it gone ahead. If there was the budget for a more substantial rebuild, you could even create one new station in the middle to replace all the existing West Hampstead and Finchley Road stations? That would be the Holy Grail! If this were Paris or Berlin no doubt this would be created as a massive Interchange Hub and would also incorporate a bus station and a couple of new tram lines to boot.
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 15, 2024 15:19:24 GMT
I would completely agree, Barking is a horrible dank and desolate station that does nothing to attract visitors to the town. I used to go fairly regularly for work and it’s awful. Never spent more than two minutes there before jumping into a cab. it's suffering from a multitude of problems. Someone seems to have ditched the building works, so now there's only one working gate line that's smaller than the original set. It really should have all been done by now but the hoardings are up making it a very unpleasant experience. People always keep urinating in the subway and there's not much care given to what's going on down there. The platforms are far too small to deal with the crowds. Someone at c2c has a very stupid idea to have a lot of Barking skippers in the rush hour and all this leads to is dangerous overcrowding on the platforms as Barking is the second busiest station on the line. So when a train finally pulls up it's just utter carnage to get on and people don't let the doors close until they've squished on somehow. That's not even then mentioning the disaster that happens when a c2c train, LO train and underground train all pull up once and hundreds of people try to pile through 4 ticket barriers. It's beyond shocking 😂 , c2c have pulled trains out from there though as they get "season ticket snobs" who complain that the train they use shouldn't stop at London stations as Oyster users take up the space only going 1 or 2 stops and they should be priority as they pay more , Was a big thing about it a years back when c2c first changed the timetable and in the end they had to revert back to the original one . Subways are actually horrendous and need a real refurbishment of some sort (hopefully extended to another exit and gateline on either side) There are about 10 security guards minimum there on shift usually looking at phones sometimes doing ticket checks and a few Gateline staff but no actual railway staff on the platforms bar the District door closing team and some Cleaning staff . But something definitely has to be done the station is like a relic from the 80s (quite literally with NSE signage still up ) but it's most definitely not fit for purpose and would struggle very heavily with any upgrading or extensions of the lines going through there .
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Post by greenboy on Jul 15, 2024 16:29:25 GMT
it's suffering from a multitude of problems. Someone seems to have ditched the building works, so now there's only one working gate line that's smaller than the original set. It really should have all been done by now but the hoardings are up making it a very unpleasant experience. People always keep urinating in the subway and there's not much care given to what's going on down there. The platforms are far too small to deal with the crowds. Someone at c2c has a very stupid idea to have a lot of Barking skippers in the rush hour and all this leads to is dangerous overcrowding on the platforms as Barking is the second busiest station on the line. So when a train finally pulls up it's just utter carnage to get on and people don't let the doors close until they've squished on somehow. That's not even then mentioning the disaster that happens when a c2c train, LO train and underground train all pull up once and hundreds of people try to pile through 4 ticket barriers. It's beyond shocking 😂 , c2c have pulled trains out from there though as they get "season ticket snobs" who complain that the train they use shouldn't stop at London stations as Oyster users take up the space only going 1 or 2 stops and they should be priority as they pay more , Was a big thing about it a years back when c2c first changed the timetable and in the end they had to revert back to the original one . Subways are actually horrendous and need a real refurbishment of some sort (hopefully extended to another exit and gateline on either side) There are about 10 security guards minimum there on shift usually looking at phones sometimes doing ticket checks and a few Gateline staff but no actual railway staff on the platforms bar the District door closing team and some Cleaning staff . But something definitely has to be done the station is like a relic from the 80s (quite literally with NSE signage still up ) but it's most definitely not fit for purpose and would struggle very heavily with any upgrading or extensions of the lines going through there . The "season ticket snobs" are probably paying a lot of money. It's not uncommon for peak hour trains out of London to not stop at the more local stations, or they are advertised as pick up only stops to avoid trains getting filled with short distance passengers, who have other options, to the detriment of those travelling further afield.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 15, 2024 16:41:54 GMT
It's beyond shocking 😂 , c2c have pulled trains out from there though as they get "season ticket snobs" who complain that the train they use shouldn't stop at London stations as Oyster users take up the space only going 1 or 2 stops and they should be priority as they pay more , Was a big thing about it a years back when c2c first changed the timetable and in the end they had to revert back to the original one . Subways are actually horrendous and need a real refurbishment of some sort (hopefully extended to another exit and gateline on either side) There are about 10 security guards minimum there on shift usually looking at phones sometimes doing ticket checks and a few Gateline staff but no actual railway staff on the platforms bar the District door closing team and some Cleaning staff . But something definitely has to be done the station is like a relic from the 80s (quite literally with NSE signage still up ) but it's most definitely not fit for purpose and would struggle very heavily with any upgrading or extensions of the lines going through there . The "season ticket snobs" are probably paying a lot of money. It's not uncommon for peak hour trains out of London to not stop at the more local stations, or they are advertised as pick up only stops to avoid trains getting filled with short distance passengers, who have other options, to the detriment of those travelling further afield. The people at the inner London stations also pay for the service, so why can't they use it?
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