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Post by greenboy on Jul 28, 2024 14:04:12 GMT
Footage clearly shows these men resisting arrest and throwing punches, police should use FULL FORCE to bring the situation under control. I agree, but once the suspect is on the floor, the officer needs to control his emotions and refrain from kicking him and stomping on him, this just agitated the situation and created more tension. This same officer later goes and kicks another man who is on his knees with his hands behind his head. That's my thoughts, whatever has gone before we cannot have police officers dishing out retribution, that's for the courts to do. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2024 16:14:55 GMT
I think everyone is in the wrong personally. I agree with you in terms of how the civillians handled themselves but policeman still can't put themselves beyond the law by punching and stomping on people and behave like those civillians did. No one comes out of this looking good IMO. I disagree, the police have to look out for their own safety, these criminals could have been terrorists, this is an airport after all, common sense has to prevail its the only way to reduce terrorism. Footage clearly shows these men resisting arrest and throwing punches, police should use FULL FORCE to bring the situation under control. Too many people think this is the pre 1950s pleasant and good natured England, and we should just let the police out and about with just a whistle to keep law and order. Walkaround London and you will see degenerates everywhere. If they were terrorists, I don’t think somehow they would start a brawl given terrorists tend to want to blow stuff up or outright use weapons rather than get involved with brawling with fisticuffs. I don’t want police returning to the 50’s to 80’s era where many thought they were above the law and would beat up whoever they want be they criminals or not. That led to police deciding to target ethnic minorities in order to get their kicks in - not the slippery slope I want happening especially when what went before has contributed to the current perception of police in general regardless of whether that view is right or wrong. I don’t know where you get the image of people thinking it’s pre 1950’s and police with whistles and whatever else and I’m well aware of the state of the streets - I work in retail and have to deal with people like that on a daily basis and have lived in an area for over 30 years that has had crime issues. Believe me, police brutality was tried in my area and all it did was led to several riots - ironically when we had more calmer policing, there was actually more co-operation between the community and the police but that has eroded as the cuts from government started to bite. And that’s the real problem why Britain is lawless - cuts have eroded the police’s capacity to deal with crime effectively. It has nothing to do with police officers not be able to do their own fisticuffs. |
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Post by buspete on Jul 28, 2024 18:24:22 GMT
The police officer lost control kicking the assailant in the head on the floor. However they were armed police officer/s had the officer drawn his weapon in self defence and that didn’t work, then shot the assailant, then so be it. But not a good look kicking someone in the head. We are the only country in the world that don’t routinely arm our police, which is crazy. Are you suggesting shooting someone is preferable to neutralising them with a swift boot to the face? So if it was an American Pit Bull dangerously out of control and got shot dead as what happens now, what is the difference? If you decide to attack a police officer, you also have to accept the consequences. In this case the police officer was out of control and I can understand why after seeing his two colleagues attacked. It never was a good look kicking someone in the head on the floor. Social media and photo journalism is very powerful and brought to Justice the 2nd degree murder by a police officer of George Floyd in Minneapolis. At no point am I suggesting racism was involved in Manchester, as it was in Minnesota. The police had every right to arrest these 2 assailants. The police also have the right to defend themselves, however the optics for this looked appalling. I want to defend the police officer, but it always comes back to what happened, which was indefensible. The police officer lost control kicking the assailant in the head on the floor. However they were armed police officer/s had the officer drawn his weapon in self defence and that didn’t work, then shot the assailant, then so be it. But not a good look kicking someone in the head. We are the only country in the world that don’t routinely arm our police, which is crazy. Suggesting police officers should be routinely armed is crazy and I think you'll find most police officers wouldn't want that anyway. Why shouldn’t all police carry both tasers and guns, they have to confront people who have machetes and more. Maybe if WPC Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone were armed, they maybe alive today. You wouldn’t send a firefighter into a fire without hoses. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2024 21:07:23 GMT
Are you suggesting shooting someone is preferable to neutralising them with a swift boot to the face? So if it was an American Pit Bull dangerously out of control and got shot dead as what happens now, what is the difference? If you decide to attack a police officer, you also have to accept the consequences. In this case the police officer was out of control and I can understand why after seeing his two colleagues attacked. It never was a good look kicking someone in the head on the floor. Social media and photo journalism is very powerful and brought to Justice the 2nd degree murder by a police officer of George Floyd in Minneapolis. At no point am I suggesting racism was involved in Manchester, as it was in Minnesota. The police had every right to arrest these 2 assailants. The police also have the right to defend themselves, however the optics for this looked appalling. I want to defend the police officer, but it always comes back to what happened, which was indefensible. Suggesting police officers should be routinely armed is crazy and I think you'll find most police officers wouldn't want that anyway. Why shouldn’t all police carry both tasers and guns, they have to confront people who have machetes and more. Maybe if WPC Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone were armed, they maybe alive today. You wouldn’t send a firefighter into a fire without hoses. What are the figures for police deaths in the USA given almost all are required to carry a gun? |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 28, 2024 21:28:32 GMT
Are you suggesting shooting someone is preferable to neutralising them with a swift boot to the face? So if it was an American Pit Bull dangerously out of control and got shot dead as what happens now, what is the difference? If you decide to attack a police officer, you also have to accept the consequences. In this case the police officer was out of control and I can understand why after seeing his two colleagues attacked. It never was a good look kicking someone in the head on the floor. Social media and photo journalism is very powerful and brought to Justice the 2nd degree murder by a police officer of George Floyd in Minneapolis. At no point am I suggesting racism was involved in Manchester, as it was in Minnesota. The police had every right to arrest these 2 assailants. The police also have the right to defend themselves, however the optics for this looked appalling. I want to defend the police officer, but it always comes back to what happened, which was indefensible. Suggesting police officers should be routinely armed is crazy and I think you'll find most police officers wouldn't want that anyway. Why shouldn’t all police carry both tasers and guns, they have to confront people who have machetes and more. Maybe if WPC Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone were armed, they maybe alive today. You wouldn’t send a firefighter into a fire without hoses. Sorry but the firefighter comparison is absurd and I'm baffled as to why you think all police officers should be armed? It almost certainly wouldn't have saved the officers you mentioned, a gunman was laying in wait for them and he will quite rightly spend the rest of his life in prison. |
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Post by jacques on Jul 30, 2024 18:53:27 GMT
I disagree, the police have to look out for their own safety, these criminals could have been terrorists, this is an airport after all, common sense has to prevail its the only way to reduce terrorism. Footage clearly shows these men resisting arrest and throwing punches, police should use FULL FORCE to bring the situation under control. Too many people think this is the pre 1950s pleasant and good natured England, and we should just let the police out and about with just a whistle to keep law and order. Walkaround London and you will see degenerates everywhere. If they were terrorists, I don’t think somehow they would start a brawl given terrorists tend to want to blow stuff up or outright use weapons rather than get involved with brawling with fisticuffs. I don’t want police returning to the 50’s to 80’s era where many thought they were above the law and would beat up whoever they want be they criminals or not. That led to police deciding to target ethnic minorities in order to get their kicks in - not the slippery slope I want happening especially when what went before has contributed to the current perception of police in general regardless of whether that view is right or wrong. I don’t know where you get the image of people thinking it’s pre 1950’s and police with whistles and whatever else and I’m well aware of the state of the streets - I work in retail and have to deal with people like that on a daily basis and have lived in an area for over 30 years that has had crime issues. Believe me, police brutality was tried in my area and all it did was led to several riots - ironically when we had more calmer policing, there was actually more co-operation between the community and the police but that has eroded as the cuts from government started to bite. And that’s the real problem why Britain is lawless - cuts have eroded the police’s capacity to deal with crime effectively. It has nothing to do with police officers not be able to do their own fisticuffs. Have you ever seen the film demolition man? with Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes, that's what we are living in now, a police force and MI5 who are not allowed to carry out their duties because of the fear of being branded as racists. Stop blaming the police, blame the sub-cultures that have failed to integrate and have now desire to do so. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 30, 2024 20:00:10 GMT
If they were terrorists, I don’t think somehow they would start a brawl given terrorists tend to want to blow stuff up or outright use weapons rather than get involved with brawling with fisticuffs. I don’t want police returning to the 50’s to 80’s era where many thought they were above the law and would beat up whoever they want be they criminals or not. That led to police deciding to target ethnic minorities in order to get their kicks in - not the slippery slope I want happening especially when what went before has contributed to the current perception of police in general regardless of whether that view is right or wrong. I don’t know where you get the image of people thinking it’s pre 1950’s and police with whistles and whatever else and I’m well aware of the state of the streets - I work in retail and have to deal with people like that on a daily basis and have lived in an area for over 30 years that has had crime issues. Believe me, police brutality was tried in my area and all it did was led to several riots - ironically when we had more calmer policing, there was actually more co-operation between the community and the police but that has eroded as the cuts from government started to bite. And that’s the real problem why Britain is lawless - cuts have eroded the police’s capacity to deal with crime effectively. It has nothing to do with police officers not be able to do their own fisticuffs. Have you ever seen the film demolition man? with Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes, that's what we are living in now, a police force and MI5 who are not allowed to carry out their duties because of the fear of being branded as racists. Stop blaming the police, blame the sub-cultures that have failed to integrate and have now desire to do so. I completely understand what you're saying but I just can't see any possible justification to kick someone in the head when they're laying on the floor and appeared to be posing no threat. No excuse whatsoever for the violence against the police but that's for the courts to deal with. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2024 22:10:56 GMT
If they were terrorists, I don’t think somehow they would start a brawl given terrorists tend to want to blow stuff up or outright use weapons rather than get involved with brawling with fisticuffs. I don’t want police returning to the 50’s to 80’s era where many thought they were above the law and would beat up whoever they want be they criminals or not. That led to police deciding to target ethnic minorities in order to get their kicks in - not the slippery slope I want happening especially when what went before has contributed to the current perception of police in general regardless of whether that view is right or wrong. I don’t know where you get the image of people thinking it’s pre 1950’s and police with whistles and whatever else and I’m well aware of the state of the streets - I work in retail and have to deal with people like that on a daily basis and have lived in an area for over 30 years that has had crime issues. Believe me, police brutality was tried in my area and all it did was led to several riots - ironically when we had more calmer policing, there was actually more co-operation between the community and the police but that has eroded as the cuts from government started to bite. And that’s the real problem why Britain is lawless - cuts have eroded the police’s capacity to deal with crime effectively. It has nothing to do with police officers not be able to do their own fisticuffs. Have you ever seen the film demolition man? with Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes, that's what we are living in now, a police force and MI5 who are not allowed to carry out their duties because of the fear of being branded as racists. Stop blaming the police, blame the sub-cultures that have failed to integrate and have now desire to do so. Don't think I've seen that film (if I get time, I'll watch it at some point) so means nothing to me I'm afraid  If police kick people and stomp on their head, they are just as much to blame as the people who were brawling - I've defended the police on multiple occasions but I can never defend police officers who behave as if they are above the law as these did and nor did I even defend the idiots brawling at their airport. All involved were in the wrong - hopefully I won't need to state that clearly again so we'll have to agree to disagree. Police can carry out their duties without fear of being racist - body cams are there to prove or disprove such events. That's a very sweeping statement to make about these "sub-cultures" - most people within these sub cultures do integrate and I know from first hand due to the fact my family has a sub culture in it both by blood and not by blood but on top, my best mate being Muslim and mixing with his many in laws for roughly 20 years now. It's only a minority who don't want to mix but anyway, it's really not relevant to this discussion - it started over a woman being hit by a baggage trolley rather than race. |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 31, 2024 8:31:28 GMT
Have you ever seen the film demolition man? with Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes, that's what we are living in now, a police force and MI5 who are not allowed to carry out their duties because of the fear of being branded as racists. Stop blaming the police, blame the sub-cultures that have failed to integrate and have now desire to do so. Don't think I've seen that film (if I get time, I'll watch it at some point) so means nothing to me I'm afraid If police kick people and stomp on their head, they are just as much to blame as the people who were brawling - I've defended the police on multiple occasions but I can never defend police officers who behave as if they are above the law as these did and nor did I even defend the idiots brawling at their airport. All involved were in the wrong - hopefully I won't need to state that clearly again so we'll have to agree to disagree. Police can carry out their duties without fear of being racist - body cams are there to prove or disprove such events. That's a very sweeping statement to make about these "sub-cultures" - most people within these sub cultures do integrate and I know from first hand due to the fact my family has a sub culture in it both by blood and not by blood but on top, my best mate being Muslim and mixing with his many in laws for roughly 20 years now. It's only a minority who don't want to mix but anyway, it's really not relevant to this discussion - it started over a woman being hit by a baggage trolley rather than race. it is “claimed” the incident started over the trolley. You can’t make sweeping statements like that. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2024 11:39:02 GMT
Don't think I've seen that film (if I get time, I'll watch it at some point) so means nothing to me I'm afraid If police kick people and stomp on their head, they are just as much to blame as the people who were brawling - I've defended the police on multiple occasions but I can never defend police officers who behave as if they are above the law as these did and nor did I even defend the idiots brawling at their airport. All involved were in the wrong - hopefully I won't need to state that clearly again so we'll have to agree to disagree. Police can carry out their duties without fear of being racist - body cams are there to prove or disprove such events. That's a very sweeping statement to make about these "sub-cultures" - most people within these sub cultures do integrate and I know from first hand due to the fact my family has a sub culture in it both by blood and not by blood but on top, my best mate being Muslim and mixing with his many in laws for roughly 20 years now. It's only a minority who don't want to mix but anyway, it's really not relevant to this discussion - it started over a woman being hit by a baggage trolley rather than race. it is “claimed” the incident started over the trolley. You can’t make sweeping statements like that. Seriously, f**k off and get help. |
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Post by jacques on Aug 3, 2024 13:18:47 GMT
Have you ever seen the film demolition man? with Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes, that's what we are living in now, a police force and MI5 who are not allowed to carry out their duties because of the fear of being branded as racists. Stop blaming the police, blame the sub-cultures that have failed to integrate and have now desire to do so. Don't think I've seen that film (if I get time, I'll watch it at some point) so means nothing to me I'm afraid If police kick people and stomp on their head, they are just as much to blame as the people who were brawling - I've defended the police on multiple occasions but I can never defend police officers who behave as if they are above the law as these did and nor did I even defend the idiots brawling at their airport. All involved were in the wrong - hopefully I won't need to state that clearly again so we'll have to agree to disagree. Police can carry out their duties without fear of being racist - body cams are there to prove or disprove such events. That's a very sweeping statement to make about these "sub-cultures" - most people within these sub cultures do integrate and I know from first hand due to the fact my family has a sub culture in it both by blood and not by blood but on top, my best mate being Muslim and mixing with his many in laws for roughly 20 years now. It's only a minority who don't want to mix but anyway, it's really not relevant to this discussion - it started over a woman being hit by a baggage trolley rather than race. You seem like a level headed person, have you ever had an honest discussion with your best mate about the serious concerns that millions of British people have? |
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