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Post by sdaniel on Aug 29, 2024 20:44:47 GMT
I heard that 257’s curtailment has extended to October due to lack of space at Walthamstow Bus Station. There needs to be some sort of extension for the 257.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 29, 2024 21:19:10 GMT
I heard that 257’s curtailment has extended to October due to lack of space at Walthamstow Bus Station. There needs to be some sort of extension for the 257. I disagree! It’s not ideal but passengers can change to another bus at Leyton Green to continue onwards to Walthamstow. Also don’t forget buses on the 257 run the full length of the route after 8pm daily. The hopper fare is there for situations like this. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Aug 30, 2024 11:10:56 GMT
I heard that 257’s curtailment has extended to October due to lack of space at Walthamstow Bus Station. There needs to be some sort of extension for the 257. I disagree! It’s not ideal but passengers can change to another bus at Leyton Green to continue onwards to Walthamstow. Also don’t forget buses on the 257 run the full length of the route after 8pm daily. The hopper fare is there for situations like this. Tbh there’s already too many buses running on the Walthamstow/Whipps cross corridor so it’s not that bad the 257 is pulled back to Leyton. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 30, 2024 11:20:31 GMT
I disagree! It’s not ideal but passengers can change to another bus at Leyton Green to continue onwards to Walthamstow. Also don’t forget buses on the 257 run the full length of the route after 8pm daily. The hopper fare is there for situations like this. Tbh there’s already too many buses running on the Walthamstow/Whipps cross corridor so it’s not that bad the 257 is pulled back to Leyton. According to who? TfL clearly disagrees. The 257 is a ridiculously busy route and is probably the worst route to end up being pulled back. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Aug 30, 2024 11:24:04 GMT
Tbh there’s already too many buses running on the Walthamstow/Whipps cross corridor so it’s not that bad the 257 is pulled back to Leyton. According to who? TfL clearly disagrees. The 257 is a ridiculously bus route and is probably the worst route to end up being pulled back. The 357 is mainly what’s causing excess capacity on that corridor & I never see anyone using the route. The rest of the routes on that corridor do provide useful unique links & they should ideally remain but the 357 does not & it should be withdrawn tbh. |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 30, 2024 11:48:26 GMT
Tbh there’s already too many buses running on the Walthamstow/Whipps cross corridor so it’s not that bad the 257 is pulled back to Leyton. According to who? TfL clearly disagrees. The 257 is a ridiculously busy route and is probably the worst route to end up being pulled back. I was about to say, if some routes need to be pulled out of Walthamstow bus station the 257 certainly isn't one of them 🤣🤣 |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 30, 2024 11:50:35 GMT
According to who? TfL clearly disagrees. The 257 is a ridiculously bus route and is probably the worst route to end up being pulled back. The 357 is mainly what’s causing excess capacity on that corridor & I never see anyone using the route. The rest of the routes on that corridor do provide useful unique links & they should ideally remain but the 357 does not & it should be withdrawn tbh. Our dear late friend Snoggle would have disagreed with you on that one  he was always an advocate for the 357 when the rest of us were slagging it off 😂 apparently school times is when it gets heavy loads |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2024 11:59:24 GMT
The 357 is mainly what’s causing excess capacity on that corridor & I never see anyone using the route. The rest of the routes on that corridor do provide useful unique links & they should ideally remain but the 357 does not & it should be withdrawn tbh. Our dear late friend Snoggle would have disagreed with you on that one he was always an advocate for the 357 when the rest of us were slagging it off 😂 apparently school times is when it gets heavy loads It also acts as a relief for other routes and the Sunday extension to the hospital does get used from talking to a few locals in the past |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 30, 2024 12:05:39 GMT
I disagree! It’s not ideal but passengers can change to another bus at Leyton Green to continue onwards to Walthamstow. Also don’t forget buses on the 257 run the full length of the route after 8pm daily. The hopper fare is there for situations like this. Tbh there’s already too many buses running on the Walthamstow/Whipps cross corridor so it’s not that bad the 257 is pulled back to Leyton. I've suggested before to extend the 357 from Whipps Cross to Redbridge (via Wanstead) to create some new links. I think if you did that, the 257 could perhaps be cut back to Leyton Green or Whipps Cross permanently. The 357 would cover the section between Walthamstow and Green Man Roundabout, while several other routes are available from Walthamstow to Leytonstone, Leyton and Stratford. Could then also consider creating some new links across Stratford by merging with a shorter route currently terminating there (104, 241, D8 etc)? |
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Post by sdaniel on Aug 30, 2024 12:07:51 GMT
The 357 is mainly what’s causing excess capacity on that corridor & I never see anyone using the route. The rest of the routes on that corridor do provide useful unique links & they should ideally remain but the 357 does not & it should be withdrawn tbh. Our dear late friend Snoggle would have disagreed with you on that one he was always an advocate for the 357 when the rest of us were slagging it off 😂 apparently school times is when it gets heavy loads Well I and a few others have suggested that 257 and 357 should be merged running between Stratford and Chingford Hatch but some people said that the 257’s frequency would be too high for the 357’s section. |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 30, 2024 12:14:16 GMT
Our dear late friend Snoggle would have disagreed with you on that one he was always an advocate for the 357 when the rest of us were slagging it off 😂 apparently school times is when it gets heavy loads Well I and a few others have suggested that 257 and 357 should be merged running between Stratford and Chingford Hatch but some people said that the 257’s frequency would be too high for the 357’s section. Didnt the 357 used to be part of the 257 anyway? Not too familiar with Waltham Forest routes, but the similarity in the numbers would suggest they’re related in some form |
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Post by sdaniel on Aug 30, 2024 13:08:48 GMT
Well I and a few others have suggested that 257 and 357 should be merged running between Stratford and Chingford Hatch but some people said that the 257’s frequency would be too high for the 357’s section. Didnt the 357 used to be part of the 257 anyway? Not too familiar with Waltham Forest routes, but the similarity in the numbers would suggest they’re related in some form Yeah that’s true. Well I think it should still be merged anyway so that there is space at Walthamstow Bus Station because now 34 and SL2 have to go to St James Street then turn around because of the lack of space at Walthamstow Bus Station |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 30, 2024 13:16:27 GMT
How did I know this thread would end up in a route change ideas one. 🙄
The 257 is temporarily cut back until 8pm daily. This is not permanent.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 30, 2024 13:54:41 GMT
According to who? TfL clearly disagrees. The 257 is a ridiculously bus route and is probably the worst route to end up being pulled back. The 357 is mainly what’s causing excess capacity on that corridor & I never see anyone using the route. The rest of the routes on that corridor do provide useful unique links & they should ideally remain but the 357 does not & it should be withdrawn tbh. That's funny, because the 357 picked up decent loads when it was routed through Walthamstow bus station. It's almost as if it has been given a slow, steady death being picked for the bus station omission. Didnt the 357 used to be part of the 257 anyway? Not too familiar with Waltham Forest routes, but the similarity in the numbers would suggest they’re related in some form Yeah that’s true. Well I think it should still be merged anyway so that there is space at Walthamstow Bus Station because now 34 and SL2 have to go to St James Street then turn around because of the lack of space at Walthamstow Bus Station More evidence that Superloop was rushed in my opinion. TfL would have known about these issues before SL1 and SL2 came around. The 34 has no business being stood in St James Street, but ULEZ expansion beckoned and The Son of a Bus Driver was getting flack from all sides of the media. Rushing a scheme that wasn't ever going to be completed before 2025 (SL4) has led to this 257 debacle. On a more personal note, we haven't seen you around recently so hope the summer holidays were joyful. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2024 14:07:53 GMT
Didnt the 357 used to be part of the 257 anyway? Not too familiar with Waltham Forest routes, but the similarity in the numbers would suggest they’re related in some form Yeah that’s true. Well I think it should still be merged anyway so that there is space at Walthamstow Bus Station because now 34 and SL2 have to go to St James Street then turn around because of the lack of space at Walthamstow Bus Station It's no good merging it just to release space at the bus station if the merger itself isn't right. A merged 257/357 would be timed at 90-100 minutes at max running time despite the 257 passing through some pretty congested areas (Leytonstone is horrible for this, I'm beginning to develop a hatred of this place just on congestion alone) and the frequency of the 257 is far higher than the 357 needs - 7-8 minutes would be overboard for Chingford Hatch. I really do think people need to calm this obession with merging routes - rarely are mergers ever that good an idea as in most cases, they come with obvious drawbacks. |
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he was always an advocate for the 357 when the rest of us were slagging it off 😂 apparently school times is when it gets heavy loads
