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Post by LK65EBO on Jul 4, 2020 13:40:28 GMT
Is Ian Armstrong's London Bus Routes page working for anyone?
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Post by galwhv69 on Jul 4, 2020 14:00:56 GMT
Is Ian Armstrong's London Bus Routes page working for anyone? No, it's just redirected me to the Rickmansworth Bowls Club website!
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Post by hangerlane on Jul 4, 2020 17:01:37 GMT
Is Ian Armstrong's London Bus Routes page working for anyone? No, it's just redirected me to the Rickmansworth Bowls Club website! I got an email this morning. He is migrating the site to a new host due to an increase in costs, and apparently there is an issue that the new hosts have yet to solve.
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Post by COBO on Jul 4, 2020 23:37:06 GMT
I wonder why more Hydrogen Single deckers haven’t entered the TfL network? Where hydrogens on the RV1 / 444 failures?
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Post by busman on Jul 5, 2020 21:27:06 GMT
Ian Armstrong’s London Bus Routes it says in the 398 page it says that the double run via South Harrow forecourt was introduced on 5 September 2009 but I’m pretty sure that the 398 has always done a double run via the South Harrow forecourt even before 5 September 2009. I’m about 80% certain it did before TfL operation. I remember the route when it was operated by Scorpio Coaches in the 80’s. It ran to Northolt via the Racecourse Estate and South Harrow to Ruislip. I’m visiting my mum over the weekend....If I get a chance I’ll have a rummage in the loft for my old bus maps from around that time. The history of the routing seems very sketchy online. I have consulted the oracle (aka the Acton, Ealing, Greenford, Southall 92/93 bus map) which revealed something shocking about the 398 at that time under Scorpio coaches. Between Northolt Park and Rayners Lane it ran direct via the entire length of Alexandra Avenue missing out South Harrow altogether. That was the case until at least October 1992. By January 1994, sanity prevailed and the 398 was routed away from the bottom half of Alexandra Avenue to serve South Harrow and resembling the 398 we know today. A look at the Harrow Ruislip Northwood map (Oct 1994) shows the 398 doing a loop around South Harrow Station bus stand in both directions, serving stop D towards Ruislip and stop G towards Northolt as it does today. Now this doesn’t address the gap between 1987 and 1992 when the 398 was started by Scorpio Coaches. I don’t have any maps remaining from the time, but like I said I’m quite sure it ran via South Harrow in the late 80’s as I used to catch the bus from South Harrow Station and South Harrow Sainsbury’s quite frequently at that time. Those old Bristols were very distinct and were like relics from the past compared to other buses in the area. If you saw and heard this beast, you wouldn’t quickly forget it: flic.kr/p/bjGaNW. I think that Scorpio had a mad idea to route the 398 away from South Harrow, realised they had messed up and restored the route via South Harrow after some time. But the double loop via South Harrow Station definitely pre-dates TfL operation. A glance at the Ealing map showed me some classic routes I’d completely forgotten about. Remember the X767? No? Well, neither did I until the map jogged my memory. An express route running 3 times a day between Uxbridge Station and Heathrow Cargo Village via Hayes Grapes, Western Avenue, Yeading White Hart, Lady Margaret Road, Southall Town Hall, Cranford, Hayes Station, Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross. In that order! London’s bus routes were so much more interesting back then 🙂
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 5, 2020 21:37:58 GMT
So can anyone figure out what horn does LTZ use? I assumed you mean LT's as in New Routemaster. It is a DAF/VDL air horn. Same as on the DB300 range, DB250, SB120 etc.
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Post by COBO on Jul 5, 2020 22:07:19 GMT
I’m about 80% certain it did before TfL operation. I remember the route when it was operated by Scorpio Coaches in the 80’s. It ran to Northolt via the Racecourse Estate and South Harrow to Ruislip. I’m visiting my mum over the weekend....If I get a chance I’ll have a rummage in the loft for my old bus maps from around that time. The history of the routing seems very sketchy online. I have consulted the oracle (aka the Acton, Ealing, Greenford, Southall 92/93 bus map) which revealed something shocking about the 398 at that time under Scorpio coaches. Between Northolt Park and Rayners Lane it ran direct via the entire length of Alexandra Avenue missing out South Harrow altogether. That was the case until at least October 1992. By January 1994, sanity prevailed and the 398 was routed away from the bottom half of Alexandra Avenue to serve South Harrow and resembling the 398 we know today. A look at the Harrow Ruislip Northwood map (Oct 1994) shows the 398 doing a loop around South Harrow Station bus stand in both directions, serving stop D towards Ruislip and stop G towards Northolt as it does today. Now this doesn’t address the gap between 1987 and 1992 when the 398 was started by Scorpio Coaches. I don’t have any maps remaining from the time, but like I said I’m quite sure it ran via South Harrow in the late 80’s as I used to catch the bus from South Harrow Station and South Harrow Sainsbury’s quite frequently at that time. Those old Bristols were very distinct and were like relics from the past compared to other buses in the area. If you saw and heard this beast, you wouldn’t quickly forget it: flic.kr/p/bjGaNW. I think that Scorpio had a mad idea to route the 398 away from South Harrow, realised they had messed up and restored the route via South Harrow after some time. But the double loop via South Harrow Station definitely pre-dates TfL operation. A glance at the Ealing map showed me some classic routes I’d completely forgotten about. Remember the X767? No? Well, neither did I until the map jogged my memory. An express route running 3 times a day between Uxbridge Station and Heathrow Cargo Village via Hayes Grapes, Western Avenue, Yeading White Hart, Lady Margaret Road, Southall Town Hall, Cranford, Hayes Station, Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross. In that order! London’s bus routes were so much more interesting back then 🙂 I see.
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Post by redexpress on Jul 6, 2020 7:49:07 GMT
A glance at the Ealing map showed me some classic routes I’d completely forgotten about. Remember the X767? No? Well, neither did I until the map jogged my memory. An express route running 3 times a day between Uxbridge Station and Heathrow Cargo Village via Hayes Grapes, Western Avenue, Yeading White Hart, Lady Margaret Road, Southall Town Hall, Cranford, Hayes Station, Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross. In that order! London’s bus routes were so much more interesting back then 🙂 Ian Armstrong's site has a short page on the X767 here, including a route record. There were actually two different routeings, although that's probably difficult to discern from a map!
One routeing was non-stop via A40 to Yeading White Hart, then via Lady Margaret Road, Southall, North Hyde Road and Harlington High Street. The other routeing was via Uxbridge Road, Hayes Grapes, Yeading White Hart, Lady Margaret Road, Southall and Cranford. Journeys starting from Heathrow were set-down only beyond Hatton Cross, so it was clearly designed for Heathrow workers only.
As I understand it, this service had operated for many years as a private contract, then briefly became a public service, at which point it was given the X767 number. When the public route was withdrawn, it was (at least partly) replaced by a private contract which eventually became Bharat's route 805, which in turn became TfL route 435, which was then replaced by today's 482 - so the X767 does still have a descendant of sorts in today's network.
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Post by busman on Jul 6, 2020 8:04:06 GMT
A glance at the Ealing map showed me some classic routes I’d completely forgotten about. Remember the X767? No? Well, neither did I until the map jogged my memory. An express route running 3 times a day between Uxbridge Station and Heathrow Cargo Village via Hayes Grapes, Western Avenue, Yeading White Hart, Lady Margaret Road, Southall Town Hall, Cranford, Hayes Station, Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross. In that order! London’s bus routes were so much more interesting back then 🙂 Ian Armstrong's site has a short page on the X767 here, including a route record. There were actually two different routeings, although that's probably difficult to discern from a map!
One routeing was non-stop via A40 to Yeading White Hart, then via Lady Margaret Road, Southall, North Hyde Road and Harlington High Street. The other routeing was via Uxbridge Road, Hayes Grapes, Yeading White Hart, Lady Margaret Road, Southall and Cranford. Journeys starting from Heathrow were set-down only beyond Hatton Cross, so it was clearly designed for Heathrow workers only.
As I understand it, this service had operated for many years as a private contract, then briefly became a public service, at which point it was given the X767 number. When the public route was withdrawn, it was (at least partly) replaced by a private contract which eventually became Bharat's route 805, which in turn became TfL route 435, which was then replaced by today's 482 - so the X767 does still have a descendant of sorts in today's network.
Thanks for that. It’s not obvious from the map nor the route diagram that there were 2 different routings. I’m guessing that bus stop panel timetables would have made this clearer for passengers.
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Post by george on Jul 13, 2020 19:58:04 GMT
Earlier 265 was turning around inside Putney Bus Garage because of a broken down bus on the left hand lane from Lower Richmond Road to Putney Bridge. I'm guessing Go Ahead would get the final say with allowing this?
Buses to turn R Putney High Street, Turn around inside Putney Bus Garage,A/H Putney Bridge to line of route. Would passengers have to get off while the bus is being turned around in the garage?
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Post by barrypotter on Jul 13, 2020 21:08:16 GMT
Earlier 265 was turning around inside Putney Bus Garage because of a broken down bus on the left hand lane from Lower Richmond Road to Putney Bridge. I'm guessing Go Ahead would get the final say with allowing this? Buses to turn R Putney High Street, Turn around inside Putney Bus Garage,A/H Putney Bridge to line of route. Would passengers have to get off while the bus is being turned around in the garage? CentreComm did announce that permission had been given.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jul 13, 2020 22:53:24 GMT
Earlier 265 was turning around inside Putney Bus Garage because of a broken down bus on the left hand lane from Lower Richmond Road to Putney Bridge. I'm guessing Go Ahead would get the final say with allowing this? Buses to turn R Putney High Street, Turn around inside Putney Bus Garage,A/H Putney Bridge to line of route. Would passengers have to get off while the bus is being turned around in the garage? Could they have dropped off/terminated on the Chelverton Road stand directly outside before turning around inside AF?
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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2020 3:10:53 GMT
Is the 603 is a school route?
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Post by lonmark on Jul 14, 2020 7:01:09 GMT
Is the 603 is a school route? it used to be just Monday to Friday normal timetable. why don't you look up at londonbusroutes.net which provide all the information there. yes, it is now schooldays route but however do operates during the Easter and half term school holidays. It won't running during summer/christmas holiday or any other public holiday.
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Post by george on Jul 14, 2020 10:50:59 GMT
Earlier 265 was turning around inside Putney Bus Garage because of a broken down bus on the left hand lane from Lower Richmond Road to Putney Bridge. I'm guessing Go Ahead would get the final say with allowing this? Buses to turn R Putney High Street, Turn around inside Putney Bus Garage,A/H Putney Bridge to line of route. Would passengers have to get off while the bus is being turned around in the garage? Could they have dropped off/terminated on the Chelverton Road stand directly outside before turning around inside AF? Yes I think that's what would have happened, it would have been nice to travel inside the garage on the bus but doubt that would be allowed just incase anything happened while in the garage. Maybe I'm wrong and if I am I wonder how many times that has happened before.
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