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Post by jrussa on Feb 14, 2021 15:31:27 GMT
The importance of the last bus - Do tfl mandate that the last bus runs on routes regardless of how late the bus is?
If for example a route had a 15 minutes frequency, the bus before the last scheduled bus was running 17 minutes and the actual last bus was also 17 minutes late, would tfl accept the bus before last 'acting' as the last bus? Or should the operator still run the 'actual' last bus 17 minutes later?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 0:26:49 GMT
The importance of the last bus - Do tfl mandate that the last bus runs on routes regardless of how late the bus is? If for example a route had a 15 minutes frequency, the bus before the last scheduled bus was running 17 minutes and the actual last bus was also 17 minutes late, would tfl accept the bus before last 'acting' as the last bus? Or should the operator still run the 'actual' last bus 17 minutes later? Just seen this: As far as I'm aware yes the last bus must run. A faulty bus on the 56 was stuck at Bart's Hospital. Still had to rin back to Whipps X despite coming up to half hour late. I was actually suprised that it came as the last bus heading eastbound leaves at Half Midnight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 17:46:50 GMT
The importance of the last bus - Do tfl mandate that the last bus runs on routes regardless of how late the bus is? If for example a route had a 15 minutes frequency, the bus before the last scheduled bus was running 17 minutes and the actual last bus was also 17 minutes late, would tfl accept the bus before last 'acting' as the last bus? Or should the operator still run the 'actual' last bus 17 minutes later? I can't be 100% on this but know from a family member who drives the 205 that he has been told to run light to the garage when his bus has developed a fault despite being the last bus.
Other drivers here might be able to confirm more but I can't see a garage sending out a bus at say 1am to cover a last trip but happy to be corrected
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 18, 2021 18:00:53 GMT
The importance of the last bus - Do tfl mandate that the last bus runs on routes regardless of how late the bus is? If for example a route had a 15 minutes frequency, the bus before the last scheduled bus was running 17 minutes and the actual last bus was also 17 minutes late, would tfl accept the bus before last 'acting' as the last bus? Or should the operator still run the 'actual' last bus 17 minutes later? I can't be 100% on this but know from a family member who drives the 205 that he has been told to run light to the garage when his bus has developed a fault despite being the last bus.
Other drivers here might be able to confirm more but I can't see a garage sending out a bus at say 1am to cover a last trip but happy to be corrected 205 is covered in its entirety by a night route (N205) so effectively there is no "last bus" * * except on the night of 24th/25th December of course!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 18:17:42 GMT
I can't be 100% on this but know from a family member who drives the 205 that he has been told to run light to the garage when his bus has developed a fault despite being the last bus.
Other drivers here might be able to confirm more but I can't see a garage sending out a bus at say 1am to cover a last trip but happy to be corrected 205 is covered in its entirety by a night route (N205) so effectively there is no "last bus" * * except on the night of 24th/25th December of course! Very good point! I still do wonder about other routes and if they have to cover the last trip
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Post by jrussa on Feb 18, 2021 19:14:56 GMT
Thank you @abz and @dan for your responses. I recall one time on route 232 the last bus towards Neasden broke down at Betstyle Circus and another bus came. I am not sure if it was a bus finished towards Wood Green and it was heading back to Cricklewood Garage but it arrived within 20-30 minutes.
I look forward to any more information
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Post by COBO on Feb 19, 2021 1:37:10 GMT
When Wright end production on the Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 and start production on the Wright Eclipse Gemini 3?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2021 2:22:53 GMT
When Wright end production on the Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 and start production on the Wright Eclipse Gemini 3? The Wrightbus Gemini3 was launched in 2013 with production starting the following year. Wrightbus ended production of the Gemini2 in the UK in 2015 with Delaine having the honour of the both the final Gemini2 in the UK and final B9TL in the UK. I believe the Gemini2 and B9TL continued until 2017 being produced for Singapore before being replaced by the Gemini3 and B8L
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Post by smokenandos on Feb 20, 2021 23:10:56 GMT
What is the shortest night duty?
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Post by Catford94 on Feb 21, 2021 14:36:58 GMT
The importance of the last bus - Do tfl mandate that the last bus runs on routes regardless of how late the bus is? If for example a route had a 15 minutes frequency, the bus before the last scheduled bus was running 17 minutes and the actual last bus was also 17 minutes late, would tfl accept the bus before last 'acting' as the last bus? Or should the operator still run the 'actual' last bus 17 minutes later?
In this very specific case, I would have thought the logical thing to do would be for operator's control room to tell the penultimate bus to log to systems as the journey number of the last scheduled journey, so that (in effect) the penultimate journey is cancelled and the last journey runs 2 minutes late, and send the scheduled last bus back dead to garage, as there's unlikely to be passengers waiting after scheduled last bus time. Unless control know that the last couple of buses are usually full (obviously in a non covid time.)
Although what would actually happen would depend on how TFL monitor these things, common sense and what passengers actually want can take second place to that...
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Post by guyarab on Feb 21, 2021 16:50:22 GMT
London’s bus stations: Which would you say is the largest and which the busiest?
I couldn’t be sure of the former, but wonder if Stratford might be the busiest, with Walthamstow close behind? Turnpike Lane always has plenty going on, but Peckham, for all the area’s vitality, its bus station doesn’t seem to do that much. It has a large layover area for so few stands.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 21, 2021 16:58:16 GMT
London’s bus stations: Which would you say is the largest and which the busiest? I couldn’t be sure of the former, but wonder if Stratford might be the busiest, with Walthamstow close behind? Turnpike Lane always has plenty going on, but Peckham, for all the area’s vitality, its bus station doesn’t seem to do that much. It has a large layover area for so few stands. Stratford would be my shot, although depends what you'd class in terms of busiest. Stratford probably has a lot more bus on bus congestion due to the fact buses very often get stuck when a bay overflows and the fact that every terminating route except the D8 and 158 need to loop to get into stands, although these days the 257 seems to stand outside. Brent Cross is one that looks busy due to its inappropriate parking layout, but I don't think comes near Stratford or Walthamstow in terms of movements. Turnpike Lane doesn't have many routes running through in both directions so probably loses out there too. In terms of area taken up once again I'd imagine it depends. In terms of how long they can get Vauxhall is probably a good shout. White City could be one depending on whether you include the stands as part of the bus station.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 17:14:34 GMT
The stop in Mitcham Way, Bromley has an e-tile that states 'Special Journeys Only'. Is this the only example in London? I assume it's just for driver ferries or changeovers (not sure if any happen here)? link
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Post by Catford94 on Feb 21, 2021 17:34:09 GMT
The stop in Mitcham Way, Bromley has an e-tile that states 'Special Journeys Only'. Is this the only example in London? I assume it's just for driver ferries or changeovers (not sure if any happen here)? link
There is (or was) a bus stop northbound at the 'Clayton Arms' in Peckham, for driver change-overs. I can't get close enough on Street View to read what the wording is, but it's more than 'special journeys only' Street View here
Likewise, there's a southbound bus stop at Camberwell Green - Street View has a 40 in the way so can't read what's on the stop.
The Mitchell Way, Bromley stop - the thing in the timetable case says it's an alighting point - wonder if that's intended more as an alighting point for buses that are coming out of service after setting down at Bromley North, so they don't have to go up to the usual alighting point on Northside Road?
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Post by Paul on Feb 21, 2021 18:33:36 GMT
The Mitchell Way, Bromley stop - the thing in the timetable case says it's an alighting point - wonder if that's intended more as an alighting point for buses that are coming out of service after setting down at Bromley North, so they don't have to go up to the usual alighting point on Northside Road? The stop in question is the changeover point for the 126, 314 and 336. The poster in the timetable case says alighting point only because passengers are permitted to alight here during a driver change but are not permitted to board With regards buses terminating at Bromley North, it isn’t enough to serve the Mitchell Way stop. Strictly speaking, the journey hasn’t been completed because the ETM does not reset until the Northside Road has been served
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