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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 3, 2021 14:39:37 GMT
According to londonbusroutes.net, the 718 has a provisional date of being discontinued on 4th December 2021 - hasn't this already happened when the works finished? Works aren’t done yet, the bridge is open to traffic but their is still some cosmetic work and some utilities being worked on surrounding the bridge.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 3, 2021 14:41:43 GMT
According to londonbusroutes.net, the 718 has a provisional date of being discontinued on 4th December 2021 - hasn't this already happened when the works finished? Works aren’t done yet, the bridge is open to traffic but their is still some cosmetic work and some utilities being worked on surrounding the bridge. Ahh, cheers - thought I'd miss the chance to ride it as benign as it is
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Post by COBO on Nov 3, 2021 16:59:38 GMT
Tell me something why are there are some bus enthusiasts that think that they know more than what the bus operator does?
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Post by vjaska on Nov 3, 2021 17:11:20 GMT
Tell me something why are there are some bus enthusiasts that think that they know more than what the bus operator does? It's not just bus enthusiasts, you get that in all walks of life - sadly, just part & parcel of life.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 3, 2021 17:14:26 GMT
Tell me something why are there are some bus enthusiasts that think that they know more than what the bus operator does? You also get operators telling passengers what they want ... when they actually want something different.
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Post by COBO on Nov 6, 2021 3:28:08 GMT
Question if a particular route is retained or awarded to an operator with a specific type E.g electric, hybrid, diesel or hydrogen. Are the odd vehicles that not of that type allowed to go onto that route? Example if the 65 is retained or awarded to an operator with electrics are the odd diesel or hybrid allowed to go on that route?
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Nov 6, 2021 8:06:23 GMT
Question if a particular route is retained or awarded to an operator with a specific type E.g electric, hybrid, diesel or hydrogen. Are the odd vehicles that not of that type allowed to go onto that route? Example if the 65 is retained or awarded to an operator with electrics are the odd diesel or hybrid allowed to go on that route? It depends on the contract. The 65, 183, 281, 290, 371 and X140 contracts permit hybrid DD's or diesel SD's on the route, but the H9/H10 and 398 contracts don't.
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Post by rj131 on Nov 8, 2021 8:29:46 GMT
Transferred over from Metroline thread as I’m about to go off topic and don’t want it cluttering up that thread. kmkcheng said: I’ve always wondered how strict TfL are when operators keep operating diesel on a hybrid (but non central ULEZ) contract. I remember DT 11 saying how DT try and avoid using diesels on the 335 whenever possible as it’s a hybrid contract, but there are offenders I can think of where diesels nearly always make up a significant chunk of the allocation despite hybrids being specified. - 280 constantly runs with diesels from 131, yet awarded with ex-19 WHV hybrids - 102 constantly runs the 340 Ts, yet awarded with ex-19 (again ) HV hybrids - 140/182 see lots of VWs, awarded with its hybrids - 32 constantly sees TEs and VWs, awarded with TEHs I’m sure there are more but these jumped out to me.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 8, 2021 8:44:31 GMT
Transferred over from Metroline thread as I’m about to go off topic and don’t want it cluttering up that thread. kmkcheng said: I’ve always wondered how strict TfL are when operators keep operating diesel on a hybrid (but non central ULEZ) contract. I remember DT 11 saying how DT try and avoid using diesels on the 335 whenever possible as it’s a hybrid contract, but there are offenders I can think of where diesels nearly always make up a significant chunk of the allocation despite hybrids being specified. - 280 constantly runs with diesels from 131, yet awarded with ex-19 WHV hybrids - 102 constantly runs the 340 Ts, yet awarded with ex-19 (again ) HV hybrids - 140/182 see lots of VWs, awarded with its hybrids - 32 constantly sees TEs and VWs, awarded with TEHs I’m sure there are more but these jumped out to me. It also depends on Hybrid availability at those garages. If the 301 had not been converted to HV diesels would stray on the 335 a lot more. Merton only has one Hybrid route so no surprise. WSDs are Micro Hybrid.
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Post by rj131 on Nov 8, 2021 9:03:15 GMT
Transferred over from Metroline thread as I’m about to go off topic and don’t want it cluttering up that thread. kmkcheng said: I’ve always wondered how strict TfL are when operators keep operating diesel on a hybrid (but non central ULEZ) contract. I remember DT 11 saying how DT try and avoid using diesels on the 335 whenever possible as it’s a hybrid contract, but there are offenders I can think of where diesels nearly always make up a significant chunk of the allocation despite hybrids being specified. - 280 constantly runs with diesels from 131, yet awarded with ex-19 WHV hybrids - 102 constantly runs the 340 Ts, yet awarded with ex-19 (again ) HV hybrids - 140/182 see lots of VWs, awarded with its hybrids - 32 constantly sees TEs and VWs, awarded with TEHs I’m sure there are more but these jumped out to me. It also depends on Hybrid availability at those garages. If the 301 had not been converted to HV diesels would stray on the 335 a lot more. Merton only has one Hybrid route so no surprise. WSDs are Micro Hybrid. Do TfL not class those WSDs as a hybrid vehicle then? Unlike how they allow the ADL ‘Smart’ hybrid (same micro hybrid tech) as a hybrid vehicle and are allowed the ULEZ etc.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 8, 2021 10:54:44 GMT
It also depends on Hybrid availability at those garages. If the 301 had not been converted to HV diesels would stray on the 335 a lot more. Merton only has one Hybrid route so no surprise. WSDs are Micro Hybrid. Do TfL not class those WSDs as a hybrid vehicle then? Unlike how they allow the ADL ‘Smart’ hybrid (same micro hybrid tech) as a hybrid vehicle and are allowed the ULEZ etc. The WSDs are indeed classed as hybrids and are allowed in thr ULEZ.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 8, 2021 11:20:21 GMT
Do TfL not class those WSDs as a hybrid vehicle then? Unlike how they allow the ADL ‘Smart’ hybrid (same micro hybrid tech) as a hybrid vehicle and are allowed the ULEZ etc. They are indeed essentially the Wright version of the ADL Smarts and therefore given the same privileges by TfL.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 8, 2021 11:38:38 GMT
Do TfL not class those WSDs as a hybrid vehicle then? Unlike how they allow the ADL ‘Smart’ hybrid (same micro hybrid tech) as a hybrid vehicle and are allowed the ULEZ etc. They are indeed essentially the Wright version of the ADL Smarts and therefore given the same privileges by TfL. I wouldn't say they are an exact equivalent. I'm under the impression the HEV96 is more so the Wright equivalent to the ADL Smart Hybrids. I don't think the Micro Hybrids have the ability to assist the engine like the Smarts and HEV96s do and they can only provide auxiliary power for lights and heating etc.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 8, 2021 11:44:44 GMT
They are indeed essentially the Wright version of the ADL Smarts and therefore given the same privileges by TfL. I wouldn't say they are an exact equivalent. I'm under the impression the HEV96 is more so the Wright equivalent to the ADL Smart Hybrids. I don't think the Micro Hybrids have the ability to assist the engine like the Smarts and HEV96s do and they can only provide auxiliary power for lights and heating etc. The ADL Smart hybrids are micro-hybrids. "Smart" is the marketing name given to them.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 8, 2021 12:13:44 GMT
I wouldn't say they are an exact equivalent. I'm under the impression the HEV96 is more so the Wright equivalent to the ADL Smart Hybrids. I don't think the Micro Hybrids have the ability to assist the engine like the Smarts and HEV96s do and they can only provide auxiliary power for lights and heating etc. The ADL Smart hybrids are micro-hybrids. "Smart" is the marketing name given to them. Yes, you are indeed right. But they are not direct equivalents as Smart Hybrids technology wise are a lot closer to HEV96s as opposed to Wright's MicroHybrid as the Smarts use capacitors and can store and discharge a lot more power.
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