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Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2022 13:22:54 GMT
In Paddington before Crossrail was developed there was a long bus stand on Eastbourne Terrace routes 15, 159, 205 and 436 all used this stand when they terminated at Paddington. Then when the construction of Crossrail began those routes that terminated at Paddington where moved to stand elsewhere. Now that Crossrail is here and construction is mostly finished do you think that this bus stand will be restored? I don’t think the 15 & 159 stood on Eastbourne Terrace given they started from Paddington Basin - certainly the 159 didn’t which started from Bishops Bridge IIRC The stand you mean can be seen in Google street view (slide the time indicator on the inset back to 2008), the new Elizabeth line station sticks out from the main building where this used to be. Eastbourne Terrace street view linkvjaska The 15 was extended from Paddington to Paddington basin in 2009 (it was connected with 332 stand), and 159 was extended to Paddington basin in 2010 (replacing the 15 which was cut back to Marble Arch). So I suspect you are not thinking far enough back. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2022 13:52:08 GMT
I don’t think the 15 & 159 stood on Eastbourne Terrace given they started from Paddington Basin - certainly the 159 didn’t which started from Bishops Bridge IIRC The stand you mean can be seen in Google street view (slide the time indicator on the inset back to 2008), the new Elizabeth line station sticks out from the main building where this used to be. Eastbourne Terrace street view linkvjaska The 15 was extended from Paddington to Paddington basin in 2009 (it was connected with 332 stand), and 159 was extended to Paddington basin in 2010 (replacing the 15 which was cut back to Marble Arch). So I suspect you are not thinking far enough back. Ahh I see, thanks snowman |
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 14, 2022 15:39:05 GMT
I don’t think the 15 & 159 stood on Eastbourne Terrace given they started from Paddington Basin - certainly the 159 didn’t which started from Bishops Bridge IIRC The stand you mean can be seen in Google street view (slide the time indicator on the inset back to 2008), the new Elizabeth line station sticks out from the main building where this used to be. Eastbourne Terrace street view linkvjaska The 15 was extended from Paddington to Paddington basin in 2009 (it was connected with 332 stand), and 159 was extended to Paddington basin in 2010 (replacing the 15 which was cut back to Marble Arch). So I suspect you are not thinking far enough back. Slight correction, the 15 after being pulled from Paddington Basin was cut to the rather pointless Regent Street. The iBus announcement was copy & pasted together, the 15 didn't reach as far as Oxford Circus due to it standing on the C2's old Conduit Street stand; it was a horrible mess I can't forget in a hurry. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2022 16:53:49 GMT
In Paddington before Crossrail was developed there was a long bus stand on Eastbourne Terrace routes 15, 159, 205 and 436 all used this stand when they terminated at Paddington. Then when the construction of Crossrail began those routes that terminated at Paddington where moved to stand elsewhere. Now that Crossrail is here and construction is mostly finished do you think that this bus stand will be restored? I don’t think the 15 & 159 stood on Eastbourne Terrace given they started from Paddington Basin - certainly the 159 didn’t which started from Bishops Bridge IIRC Oh yeah they didn’t. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2022 16:54:47 GMT
I don’t think the 15 & 159 stood on Eastbourne Terrace given they started from Paddington Basin - certainly the 159 didn’t which started from Bishops Bridge IIRC The stand you mean can be seen in Google street view (slide the time indicator on the inset back to 2008), the new Elizabeth line station sticks out from the main building where this used to be. Eastbourne Terrace street view linkvjaska The 15 was extended from Paddington to Paddington basin in 2009 (it was connected with 332 stand), and 159 was extended to Paddington basin in 2010 (replacing the 15 which was cut back to Marble Arch). So I suspect you are not thinking far enough back. Thanks Snowman. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2022 17:04:21 GMT
In Paddington before Crossrail was developed there was a long bus stand on Eastbourne Terrace routes 15, 159, 205 and 436 all used this stand when they terminated at Paddington. Then when the construction of Crossrail began those routes that terminated at Paddington where moved to stand elsewhere. Now that Crossrail is here and construction is mostly finished do you think that this bus stand will be restored? That stand on Eastbourne Terrace has already been restored a while ago in a smaller format near to Bishop's Bridge Road, but it still can accommodate around 5 buses and the stand these days are used by the 46. So unless TfL has plans the 205 and. 332 could be moved to that stand and also fit on that stand. (TfL certainly sure does have plans for the 205). |
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Post by yunus on Jul 18, 2022 5:42:36 GMT
What was the 1st few routes to receive Hybrid buses around 2008-09 IIRC?
Did TFL advertise on them similar to what they now do with full Electric buses?
Did if any major faults occur with Hybrid buses as new technologies can develop?
Also I read that it was planned that from 2012 onwards only Hybrid buses would be ordered new into service but it was dropped later.
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Post by snowman on Jul 18, 2022 7:29:35 GMT
What was the 1st few routes to receive Hybrid buses around 2008-09 IIRC? Did TFL advertise on them similar to what they now do with full Electric buses? Did if any major faults occur with Hybrid buses as new technologies can develop? Also I read that it was planned that from 2012 onwards only Hybrid buses would be ordered new into service but it was dropped later. There were about 56 of them from memory, mainly in 5s, but some single ones. TfL didn’t want single buses as they suspected any problems would see them parked at the back of garages unused. RATP had 2 ADHs which I think started on H32 and 5 Enviro200 which were used on 371 Can’t remember the routes, think 360 was one, from memory Metroline had 5 TEHs and 5 Tempos, and Stagecoach also had 5 Tempos, Arriva had HA and HV (which were later modified to production spec by Volvo), there were also some unreliable Wrightbus single decks, can’t remember the rest Can’t remember any specific advertising on each route (as they were small proportion), but the individual buses had green leaves livery They were all a bit experimental, and for many months were not that reliable, but lots of modifications took place Not sure about the last question, but those introduced 2011-2012 were generally subsided by Government green bus funds as the initial ones were about £120-150k more than their diesel equivalents. They only really became common (around 2014-2015) when it was clear that TfL wanted hybrids in the ULEZ zone |
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Post by Quoll662 on Jul 18, 2022 7:35:04 GMT
What was the 1st few routes to receive Hybrid buses around 2008-09 IIRC? Did TFL advertise on them similar to what they now do with full Electric buses? Did if any major faults occur with Hybrid buses as new technologies can develop? Also I read that it was planned that from 2012 onwards only Hybrid buses would be ordered new into service but it was dropped later. There were about 56 of them from memory, mainly in 5s, but some single ones. TfL didn’t want single buses as the suspected any problems would see them parked at the back of garages unused. RATP had 2 ADHs which I think started on H32 and 5 Enviro200 which were used on 371 Can’t remember any specific advertising on each route (as they were small proportion), but the individual buses had green leaves livery They were all a bit experimental, and for many months were not that reliable, but lots of modifications took place Not sure about the last question, but those introduced 2011-2012 were generally subsided by Government green bus funds as the initial ones were about £120-150k more than their diesel equivalents. They only really became common (around 2014-2015) when it was clear that TfL wanted hybrids in the ULEZ zone There were definitely some on the 360 and R70 as well, alongside EH1-5 and HV1-6. I think the latter were for route 76. There were also some HW's (VDL chassis???) at Arriva. To note, the 371 hybrids were officially bought by East Thames Buses for route 42 before the sell-off to London Central. |
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Post by yunus on Jul 18, 2022 7:47:00 GMT
There were about 56 of them from memory, mainly in 5s, but some single ones. TfL didn’t want single buses as the suspected any problems would see them parked at the back of garages unused. RATP had 2 ADHs which I think started on H32 and 5 Enviro200 which were used on 371 Can’t remember any specific advertising on each route (as they were small proportion), but the individual buses had green leaves livery They were all a bit experimental, and for many months were not that reliable, but lots of modifications took place Not sure about the last question, but those introduced 2011-2012 were generally subsided by Government green bus funds as the initial ones were about £120-150k more than their diesel equivalents. They only really became common (around 2014-2015) when it was clear that TfL wanted hybrids in the ULEZ zone There were definitely some on the 360 and R70 as well, alongside EH1-5 and HV1-6. I think the latter were for route 76. There were also some HW's (VDL chassis???) at Arriva. To note, the 371 hybrids were officially bought by East Thames Buses for route 42 before the sell-off to London Central. The first and only route I remember Hybrid buses on as new was the 141. Now I recall the green leaves livery. Not 100% sure but possibly the 129 route also received single decker Hybrid buses under East Thames group? |
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Post by yunus on Jul 18, 2022 7:55:43 GMT
What was the 1st few routes to receive Hybrid buses around 2008-09 IIRC? Did TFL advertise on them similar to what they now do with full Electric buses? Did if any major faults occur with Hybrid buses as new technologies can develop? Also I read that it was planned that from 2012 onwards only Hybrid buses would be ordered new into service but it was dropped later. There were about 56 of them from memory, mainly in 5s, but some single ones. TfL didn’t want single buses as they suspected any problems would see them parked at the back of garages unused. RATP had 2 ADHs which I think started on H32 and 5 Enviro200 which were used on 371 Can’t remember the routes, think 360 was one, from memory Metroline had 5 TEHs and 5 Tempos, and Stagecoach also had 5 Tempos, Arriva had HA and HV (which were later modified to production spec by Volvo), there were also some unreliable Wrightbus single decks, can’t remember the rest Can’t remember any specific advertising on each route (as they were small proportion), but the individual buses had green leaves livery They were all a bit experimental, and for many months were not that reliable, but lots of modifications took place Not sure about the last question, but those introduced 2011-2012 were generally subsided by Government green bus funds as the initial ones were about £120-150k more than their diesel equivalents. They only really became common (around 2014-2015) when it was clear that TfL wanted hybrids in the ULEZ zone £120-150k is a big chunk but again you need to look at the benefits to environment I guess. Now they are being succeeded by full Electric buses, then Hydrogen will hopefully become more popular as time passes. I actually find it a tad funny that only Hybrid & Zero Emission buses are allowed into the Central London ULEZ purely because the so called 'smart hybrid buses' aren't really Hybrid apart from the start/stop function with a small (under 15kw) battery (going by my research). They cannot be driven in Electric mode therefore the benefits to the environment are minor but other sources claim that they still play a role and contribute. I'll for sure miss Diesel buses, growing up with them is the main factor so brings back childhood memories. It's a shame that they can't run into Central London (apart from the 170 & 476) to the edges as I mentioned recently. The engines of Diesel buses definitely got me into becoming an enthusiast of this industry. They are decreasing rapidly in London but the good news is that they continue dominating outside London, mostly in counties for example in Hertfordshire. |
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Post by Quoll662 on Jul 18, 2022 7:55:48 GMT
There were definitely some on the 360 and R70 as well, alongside EH1-5 and HV1-6. I think the latter were for route 76. There were also some HW's (VDL chassis???) at Arriva. To note, the 371 hybrids were officially bought by East Thames Buses for route 42 before the sell-off to London Central. The first and only route I remember Hybrid buses on as new was the 141. Now I recall the green leaves livery. Not 100% sure but possibly the 129 route also received single decker Hybrid buses under East Thames group? I remembered now that the R70 hybrids were moved from the 129 after Abellio/Travel lost it to GAL. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 18, 2022 9:20:33 GMT
What was the 1st few routes to receive Hybrid buses around 2008-09 IIRC? Did TFL advertise on them similar to what they now do with full Electric buses? Did if any major faults occur with Hybrid buses as new technologies can develop? Also I read that it was planned that from 2012 onwards only Hybrid buses would be ordered new into service but it was dropped later. The 360 was the first route to receive hybrids in 2005-06 with a small batch of Wright Electrocitys. After that, the 141 saw HEV1 trialled in 2007, a Versa was trialled by Go-Ahead London and the 129 received Wright Electrocitys under Travel London before the hybrid trial about a year and half later where several different vehicles were ordered: ADH1-2 for Transdev for 482 EH1-5 for Go-Ahead London for 24 HDE1-5 for Transdev for 371 (originally supposed to be for East Thames Buses for 42) HV1-6 for Arriva London for 76 or 141 HW1-5 for Arriva London for 76 or 141 OTH971-975 for Metroline for E2 or E8 TEH915-919 for Metroline for 16 WHD1 for Go-Ahead London for 24 WNH39001-39005 for First London for 328 29001-29005 for ELBG for 276 |
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Post by Quoll662 on Jul 18, 2022 9:27:51 GMT
What was the 1st few routes to receive Hybrid buses around 2008-09 IIRC? Did TFL advertise on them similar to what they now do with full Electric buses? Did if any major faults occur with Hybrid buses as new technologies can develop? Also I read that it was planned that from 2012 onwards only Hybrid buses would be ordered new into service but it was dropped later. The 360 was the first route to receive hybrids in 2005-06 with a small batch of Wright Electrocitys. After that, the 141 saw HEV1 trialled in 2007, a Versa was trialled by Go-Ahead London and the 129 received Wright Electrocitys under Travel London before the hybrid trial about a year and half later where several different vehicles were ordered: ADH1-2 for Transdev for 482 EH1-5 for Go-Ahead London for 24 HDE1-5 for Transdev for 371 (originally supposed to be for East Thames Buses for 42) HV1-6 for Arriva London for 76 or 141 HW1-5 for Arriva London for 76 or 141 OTH971-975 for Metroline for E2 or E8 TEH915-919 for Metroline for 16 WHD1 for Go-Ahead London for 24 WNH39001-39005 for First London for 328 29001-29005 for ELBG for 276 Pretty sure the OTHs were for the E8 as E2 was double deck. Forgot about them. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 18, 2022 9:38:42 GMT
What was the 1st few routes to receive Hybrid buses around 2008-09 IIRC? Did TFL advertise on them similar to what they now do with full Electric buses? Did if any major faults occur with Hybrid buses as new technologies can develop? Also I read that it was planned that from 2012 onwards only Hybrid buses would be ordered new into service but it was dropped later. It was really from the summer 2013 tender awards of the 54/75/part 262 that it would appear that a change had happened and all new DDs would be hybrid followed by a confirmation of the 96/122/472 being for hybrids following its TBC award. A part allocation on the 418, the 217 with Sullivans and the 62, part 145 and 294 being the last Diesel. |
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