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Post by COBO on Jul 13, 2023 11:32:32 GMT
So does the X239 has a date when it will commence operation? Silvertown tunnel is planned to open in 2025 so will have to wait until then So with TfL saying want the bus network going through the tunnel in 2025 and the tender programme saying that contract of the x239 to start on 1 February 2025 can I use to say that TfL official start date of the X239?  Can I use the TfL tender programme as proof that official start date for the x239 is 1 February 2025? Can the construction of the tunnel guarantee that the tunnel will be completed by 2025 and the x239 starts in 2025? haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/19786/widgets/56145/documents/40186 |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 13, 2023 11:48:14 GMT
Silvertown tunnel is planned to open in 2025 so will have to wait until then So with TfL saying want the bus network going through the tunnel in 2025 and the tender programme saying that contract of the x239 to start on 1 February 2025 can I use to say that TfL official start date of the X239? Can I use the TfL tender programme as proof that official start date for the x239 is 1 February 2025? Can the construction of the tunnel guarantee that the tunnel will be completed by 2025 and the x239 starts in 2025? haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/19786/widgets/56145/documents/40186You can say it is the intended start date. If the tunnel completion gets delayed, so will the start date |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 13, 2023 12:01:54 GMT
Silvertown tunnel is planned to open in 2025 so will have to wait until then So with TfL saying want the bus network going through the tunnel in 2025 and the tender programme saying that contract of the x239 to start on 1 February 2025 can I use to say that TfL official start date of the X239? Can I use the TfL tender programme as proof that official start date for the x239 is 1 February 2025? Can the construction of the tunnel guarantee that the tunnel will be completed by 2025 and the x239 starts in 2025? haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/19786/widgets/56145/documents/40186 Living close to the site I would be very surprised if the tunnel is open by February 2025! You can’t use the dates on the tender documents as a indication of when the tunnel will be complete. They have to put a date and that can be moved as necessary. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 13, 2023 12:50:38 GMT
So with TfL saying want the bus network going through the tunnel in 2025 and the tender programme saying that contract of the x239 to start on 1 February 2025 can I use to say that TfL official start date of the X239? Can I use the TfL tender programme as proof that official start date for the x239 is 1 February 2025? Can the construction of the tunnel guarantee that the tunnel will be completed by 2025 and the x239 starts in 2025? haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/19786/widgets/56145/documents/40186 Living close to the site I would be very surprised if the tunnel is open by February 2025! You can’t use the dates on the tender documents as a indication of when the tunnel will be complete. They have to put a date and that can be moved as necessary. To be honest construction should be pretty rapid. Most work is going to happen underground and under the river so you wouldn't be able to see it from ground level. |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 13, 2023 13:29:11 GMT
Living close to the site I would be very surprised if the tunnel is open by February 2025! You can’t use the dates on the tender documents as a indication of when the tunnel will be complete. They have to put a date and that can be moved as necessary. To be honest construction should be pretty rapid. Most work is going to happen underground and under the river so you wouldn't be able to see it from ground level. Yes of course but the first tunnel have been finished and the second is being started, there is then the fitting out and adjustments to the roads to and from the tunnel. I then assume safety testing and signing off. Yes it will be finished in 2025 but it’s far too early for a confirmed date. I found it the initial question from COBO a bit odd as he wanted to confirm the exact date for the X239 starting which is pretty impossible this early on. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 13, 2023 13:50:22 GMT
Silvertown tunnel is planned to open in 2025 so will have to wait until then So with TfL saying want the bus network going through the tunnel in 2025 and the tender programme saying that contract of the x239 to start on 1 February 2025 can I use to say that TfL official start date of the X239? Can I use the TfL tender programme as proof that official start date for the x239 is 1 February 2025? Can the construction of the tunnel guarantee that the tunnel will be completed by 2025 and the x239 starts in 2025? haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/19786/widgets/56145/documents/40186No because it also says "details tbc" - at this stage even the route number and terminals are not confirmed. Nothing can be confirmed until the tunnel has a definitive opening date, although a provisional contract could be put in place in advance to be implemented at the earliest possible opportunity. At times there are things that you just need to accept as "unknown". |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 13, 2023 14:50:00 GMT
What double deck routes have restrictions which prevent long wheelbase vehicles, such as BYD E400s or LTs, from operating on the route?
As far as I'm aware:
85 - cannot use BCE
91 - can no longer use LT
200 - cannot use Ee
240 - restricted to TE/TEH
363 - cannot use 34xx
481 - cannot use BCE
Has the 204's issues with BDEs been corrected?
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 13, 2023 14:53:05 GMT
What double deck routes have restrictions which prevent long wheelbase vehicles, such as BYD E400s or LTs, from operating on the route? As far as I'm aware: 85 - cannot use BCE 91 - can no longer use LT 200 - cannot use Ee 240 - restricted to TE/TEH 363 - cannot use 34xx 481 - cannot use BCE Has the 204's issues with BDEs been corrected? I think it was suggested that the issue has been resolved, but it seems the 204 will keep the WDEs instead anyway. Electric allocations have been quite strict so far at EW, and the 142 has only seen 1 WDE working so far. Could just be type training though, with more intermixing in the future? I also wonder if VMHs might become more common on the 142, assuming the blinds from the TEs eventually get transferred, especially as BDEs are becoming quite common on the 113 now. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 13, 2023 17:22:51 GMT
What double deck routes have restrictions which prevent long wheelbase vehicles, such as BYD E400s or LTs, from operating on the route? As far as I'm aware: 85 - cannot use BCE 91 - can no longer use LT 200 - cannot use Ee 240 - restricted to TE/TEH 363 - cannot use 34xx 481 - cannot use BCE Has the 204's issues with BDEs been corrected? Believe the 62 has an issue where the longer BYDs cannot make the turn onto the A13 without humping the curb. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 13, 2023 17:32:15 GMT
What double deck routes have restrictions which prevent long wheelbase vehicles, such as BYD E400s or LTs, from operating on the route? As far as I'm aware: 85 - cannot use BCE 91 - can no longer use LT 200 - cannot use Ee 240 - restricted to TE/TEH 363 - cannot use 34xx 481 - cannot use BCE Has the 204's issues with BDEs been corrected? Believe the 62 has an issue where the longer BYDs cannot make the turn onto the A13 without humping the curb. Thank you! |
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Post by gwiwer on Jul 13, 2023 20:39:22 GMT
TfL routes which have a significant non-stop section as opposed to skipping stops along the length of the route are the X68 and summer 246 Chartwell extension currently and the former X15 and NX1. All the rest would be better defined as "Limited Stop" since they serve a selection of stops along the LOR but are not listed as "Running non-stop between ..... " There have been odd journeys over the years which run express between defined points such as the one-time Sunday afternoon trips on the 140 via Cherry Lane Cemetery which used the M4 Heathrow spur but these were isolated variations for a specific purpose. In this case the two trips allegedly offered Sunday afternoon visits to the cemetery which was otherwise unserved by bus at the time. In reality most passengers were enthusiasts out to crank the RT at speed along the motorway!!!
The definition is hazy. The X26 runs non-stop between Heathrow Central and Hatton Cross then between Hatton Cross and Teddington which are both quite significant distances. It makes fewer stops than the former Green Line Express 727 did over the near-parallel sections of route and far fewer than the 725/726 which it also replaced in part.
Despite the renumbering of the 607 I note no other route in the Superloop network is yet identified with an SL-series number either in operation or planned and on tender documents. I honestly cannot see any point in renumbering the route; it costs money which TfL claims not to have (and the same lack of funds is cited as justification for not replacing long-outdated and inaccurate / misleading bus stop posters) and it alienates the public who are accustomed to its long-standing number. There are some suggestions that bus routes with multiple letters / numbers as identifiers cause confusion and can lead to loss of traffic. Cases include First Kernow's U1A which is being rebranded as "Coast to Coast" and U4X (not yet re-branded) by an operator generally using route names rather than numbers these days and the EL-series around Barking; I was once advised to "Catch the ELI" (as in E-lye, the chap's name) bus rather than the EL-one. And that was by a driver in uniform!!!
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 13, 2023 20:51:36 GMT
What double deck routes have restrictions which prevent long wheelbase vehicles, such as BYD E400s or LTs, from operating on the route? As far as I'm aware: 85 - cannot use BCE 91 - can no longer use LT 200 - cannot use Ee 240 - restricted to TE/TEH 363 - cannot use 34xx 481 - cannot use BCE Has the 204's issues with BDEs been corrected? I think it was suggested that the issue has been resolved, but it seems the 204 will keep the WDEs instead anyway. Electric allocations have been quite strict so far at EW, and the 142 has only seen 1 WDE working so far. Could just be type training though, with more intermixing in the future? I also wonder if VMHs might become more common on the 142, assuming the blinds from the TEs eventually get transferred, especially as BDEs are becoming quite common on the 113 now. WDEs will have to go on the 142 soon to get it fully electric, there’s quite a surplus of WDEs for them To just run on the 204. Those BDEs are quite well travelled already, running from Oxford Street in zone 1 and then all the way out to Watford Junction! |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 14, 2023 7:20:41 GMT
I think it was suggested that the issue has been resolved, but it seems the 204 will keep the WDEs instead anyway. Electric allocations have been quite strict so far at EW, and the 142 has only seen 1 WDE working so far. Could just be type training though, with more intermixing in the future? I also wonder if VMHs might become more common on the 142, assuming the blinds from the TEs eventually get transferred, especially as BDEs are becoming quite common on the 113 now. WDEs will have to go on the 142 soon to get it fully electric, there’s quite a surplus of WDEs for them To just run on the 204. Those BDEs are quite well travelled already, running from Oxford Street in zone 1 and then all the way out to Watford Junction! Only making up for lost time as they spent a year in storage! |
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Post by rtm077 on Jul 16, 2023 1:17:36 GMT
What double deck routes have restrictions which prevent long wheelbase vehicles, such as BYD E400s or LTs, from operating on the route? As far as I'm aware: 85 - cannot use BCE 91 - can no longer use LT 200 - cannot use Ee 240 - restricted to TE/TEH 363 - cannot use 34xx 481 - cannot use BCE Has the 204's issues with BDEs been corrected? 151 cant use the BYD’s yet because of the turn at worcester park station |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Jul 16, 2023 3:46:30 GMT
What double deck routes have restrictions which prevent long wheelbase vehicles, such as BYD E400s or LTs, from operating on the route? As far as I'm aware: 85 - cannot use BCE 91 - can no longer use LT 200 - cannot use Ee 240 - restricted to TE/TEH 363 - cannot use 34xx 481 - cannot use BCE Has the 204's issues with BDEs been corrected? You also have 88 which since extension can no longer take LTs |
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