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Post by rjbarrett5 on Jul 23, 2023 15:21:21 GMT
Why does the 452 no longer go to Kensal Rise issues with stand space iirc
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Post by VMH2537 on Jul 23, 2023 15:37:03 GMT
Why does the 452 no longer go to Kensal Rise There has been road layout changes at Kensel Rise Station limiting bus standing space. Its now permanently curtailed due to this. TfL has proposed curtailing the 452 away from Kensel Rise in the past, so it doesn't surprise for some savings to be made.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 23, 2023 17:39:29 GMT
I've noticed that the last two weeks I haven't received the weekend closure email. Don't tell me TFL have stopped sending the emails now Am still getting them.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 23, 2023 17:43:39 GMT
Why does the 452 no longer go to Kensal Rise There has been road layout changes at Kensel Rise Station limiting bus standing space. Its now permanently curtailed due to this. TfL has proposed curtailing the 452 away from Kensel Rise in the past, so it doesn't surprise for some savings to be made. Does it still have to run to X to stand. I wonder if one day TFL will look at trying to free up some space at Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's for it to be able to fit in there.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 23, 2023 18:00:30 GMT
There has been road layout changes at Kensel Rise Station limiting bus standing space. Its now permanently curtailed due to this. TfL has proposed curtailing the 452 away from Kensel Rise in the past, so it doesn't surprise for some savings to be made. Does it still have to run to X to stand. I wonder if one day TFL will look at trying to free up some space at Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's for it to be able to fit in there. If that happened the 295 would have to move out. I doubt it would be extended anywhere, so it would have to be cut back to White City/Shepherds Bush LondonExplorer316 could a DD 316 (hypothetically) cope there without the 295?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 23, 2023 18:06:47 GMT
Does it still have to run to X to stand. I wonder if one day TFL will look at trying to free up some space at Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's for it to be able to fit in there. If that happened the 295 would have to move out. I doubt it would be extended anywhere, so it would have to be cut back to White City/Shepherds Bush LondonExplorer316 could a DD 316 (hypothetically) cope there without the 295? Or even pull the 452 back to NHG (using the ex 12/31 stands) and slightly boost the 52 to cope between NHG and Ladbroke Grove.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Jul 23, 2023 18:12:09 GMT
Does it still have to run to X to stand. I wonder if one day TFL will look at trying to free up some space at Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's for it to be able to fit in there. If that happened the 295 would have to move out. I doubt it would be extended anywhere, so it would have to be cut back to White City/Shepherds Bush LondonExplorer316 could a DD 316 (hypothetically) cope there without the 295? Yes, without 295 a DD 316 could cope fine, with ex 295 users walking to their destination or changing at Kensal House for other buses down Ladbroke Grove. The 316 has needed a decking for quite a while, with a lot of Cricklewood journeys filling up at Shepherd's Bush Station, although some switched on people have decided to use a personal tactic of mine - going a bit further down for White City Bus Station. I personally would prefer the 295 to be extended over the 228 to Maida Hill however (going via Holland Park as opposed to Latimer Road) as opposed to a cutback to Shepherd's Bush. Answering southlondonbus 's question, yes, most 452s do run dead to X to stand, but some do stand at the 295 stand (if space), at the foot of the petrol station (behind the first stop) or at Kensal House, where they can turn onto Canal Way to start.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Jul 23, 2023 18:15:00 GMT
Why does the 452 no longer go to Kensal Rise There has been road layout changes at Kensal Rise Station limiting bus standing space. Its now permanently curtailed due to this. TfL has proposed curtailing the 452 away from Kensal Rise in the past, so it doesn't surprise for some savings to be made. Which layout changes are you referring to? Often half the Kensal Rise stands are empty when I pass by on a 52, which baffles me as to why 452 was not re-extended.
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Post by COBO on Jul 23, 2023 18:25:30 GMT
I do wonder TfL wanting to reroute the 452 to Westbourne Park and the 23 to Wembley had anything to do the Kensal Rise stand change and they knew that it was going to happen. It was going to happen but then it didn't happen when TfL decided to merge the 23 and 10 instead. I wonder if there's now a big plan for the 452.
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Post by VMH2537 on Jul 23, 2023 18:41:03 GMT
There has been road layout changes at Kensal Rise Station limiting bus standing space. Its now permanently curtailed due to this. TfL has proposed curtailing the 452 away from Kensal Rise in the past, so it doesn't surprise for some savings to be made. Which layout changes are you referring to? Often half the Kensal Rise stands are empty when I pass by on a 52, which baffles me as to why 452 was not re-extended. The works on the layouts was the initial reason for temporary curtailing the route. However, as I said TfL has in the past proposed curtailing the 452 away from Kensel Rise as they deem there's excess capacity north of Ladbroke Grove. This shouldn't be seen as a suprise for them to make additional savings from a past review they conducted.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 23, 2023 18:49:30 GMT
I do wonder TfL wanting to reroute the 452 to Westbourne Park and the 23 to Wembley had anything to do the Kensal Rise stand change and they knew that it was going to happen. It was going to happen but then it didn't happen when TfL decided to merge the 23 and 10 instead. I wonder if there's now a big plan for the 452. I seem to recall that it answered residents complains about so many buses Chamberlayne Road so i guess TFL took the opportunity to save a few £ when they proposed sending it to X in place of the 23.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 23, 2023 22:42:46 GMT
I do wonder TfL wanting to reroute the 452 to Westbourne Park and the 23 to Wembley had anything to do the Kensal Rise stand change and they knew that it was going to happen. It was going to happen but then it didn't happen when TfL decided to merge the 23 and 10 instead. I wonder if there's now a big plan for the 452. I seem to recall that it answered residents complains about so many buses Chamberlayne Road so i guess TFL took the opportunity to save a few £ when they proposed sending it to X in place of the 23. Wasn’t it more so one particular residents complaint who had an incoherent view regarding the amount of buses along Chamberlayne Road? Said person was on here and Facebook talking about bus emissions and bus congestion whilst conveniently ignoring everything else in the process such as emissions from other vehicles and overall congestion
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Post by abellion on Jul 24, 2023 6:53:26 GMT
I seem to recall that it answered residents complains about so many buses Chamberlayne Road so i guess TFL took the opportunity to save a few £ when they proposed sending it to X in place of the 23. Wasn’t it more so one particular residents complaint who had an incoherent view regarding the amount of buses along Chamberlayne Road? Said person was on here and Facebook talking about bus emissions and bus congestion whilst conveniently ignoring everything else in the process such as emissions from other vehicles and overall congestion Speaking of Chamberlayne Road there were also residents complaining about buses speeding dangerously a while ago.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 24, 2023 7:23:56 GMT
I seem to recall that it answered residents complains about so many buses Chamberlayne Road so i guess TFL took the opportunity to save a few £ when they proposed sending it to X in place of the 23. Wasn’t it more so one particular residents complaint who had an incoherent view regarding the amount of buses along Chamberlayne Road? Said person was on here and Facebook talking about bus emissions and bus congestion whilst conveniently ignoring everything else in the process such as emissions from other vehicles and overall congestion I'm not sure but I remember it saying in the consultation that it was partly in response to a desire to remove a few buses an hour from the road. As it suited them TFL probably decided to remove them rather like with the W12 now.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 24, 2023 10:36:33 GMT
I have heard that utility companies have to pay charges for digging up roads and causing disruption but do developers when they take out a lane of a road. Just seen Selborne Road bus lane has been taken out by the large eye sore of a development that is underway. I suspect they will look to use that bit of space for longer than required if there is no financial penalty.
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