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Post by vjaska on Oct 4, 2023 11:31:47 GMT
I'd be worried if the 275 was diverted via the South Circular ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) 275 South Circular that be longest bus diversion. In History. He meant to say North circular🛣️ I’m aware of what he meant, it was merely a joke
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 4, 2023 16:03:29 GMT
What's the oldest bus garage which is still being used for TFL work today?
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 4, 2023 16:38:26 GMT
What's the oldest bus garage which is still being used for TFL work today? AF (Putney) - opened 1888 for horse buses BN (Brixton) - opened 1892 for cable trams CT (Clapton) - opened 1882 for horse trams TH (Thornton Heath) - opened 1879 for Croydon horse trams although was rebuilt in 1950-1 as a bus garage. Several garages date back to the early 1900s when road-based public transport (buses and electric trams) was booming as new technology brought in faster speeds and cheap fares. Some of these have been largely or completely rebuilt in the intervening years. e.g. AC (Willesden), AD (Palmers Green), AL (Merton), AR (Tottenham), AV (Hounslow), Q (Camberwell), T (Leyton) all opened as bus garages for the LGOC between 1912-1914 (LGOC - London General Omnibus Company, one of the forerunners of London Transport). BW (Bow), opened as an electric tram depot in 1908 FW (Fulwell), opened aa an electric tram depot in 1902 HT (Holloway), opened as an eletric tram depot in 1907 N (Norwood), opened as a LGOC bus garage in 1907 NX (New Cross), opened as an electric tram depot in 1906 S (Shepherds Bush), opened as a bus garage for a private operator in 1909 Further garages were built in the outer suburbs as London expanded outward in the 1920s and 1930s, some of which are still in use today. www.countrybus.org/garage.htm
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Post by lonmark on Oct 4, 2023 16:39:47 GMT
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Post by yunus on Oct 5, 2023 23:45:31 GMT
Will buses outside of London in suburban counties eventually convert to ZE Buses?
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 6, 2023 10:38:02 GMT
Will buses outside of London in suburban counties eventually convert to ZE Buses? In the long term I would imagine so but at the moment operators are still ordering smart hybrids so I think it will be some time away still.
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Post by Catford94 on Oct 6, 2023 23:00:24 GMT
What's the oldest bus garage which is still being used for TFL work today? AF (Putney) - opened 1888 for horse buses BN (Brixton) - opened 1892 for cable trams CT (Clapton) - opened 1882 for horse trams TH (Thornton Heath) - opened 1879 for Croydon horse trams although was rebuilt in 1950-1 as a bus garage. Several garages date back to the early 1900s when road-based public transport (buses and electric trams) was booming as new technology brought in faster speeds and cheap fares. Some of these have been largely or completely rebuilt in the intervening years. e.g. AC (Willesden), AD (Palmers Green), AL (Merton), AR (Tottenham), AV (Hounslow), Q (Camberwell), T (Leyton) all opened as bus garages for the LGOC between 1912-1914 (LGOC - London General Omnibus Company, one of the forerunners of London Transport). BW (Bow), opened as an electric tram depot in 1908 FW (Fulwell), opened aa an electric tram depot in 1902 HT (Holloway), opened as an eletric tram depot in 1907 N (Norwood), opened as a LGOC bus garage in 1907 NX (New Cross), opened as an electric tram depot in 1906 S (Shepherds Bush), opened as a bus garage for a private operator in 1909 Further garages were built in the outer suburbs as London expanded outward in the 1920s and 1930s, some of which are still in use today. www.countrybus.org/garage.htm
Interesting question.
I'm fairly sure that both Brixton and New Cross were completely demolished then rebuilt c. 1950-52 for the tram replacement programme, and don't think there's anything left of the tram depot buildings at either.
The structure at Clapton looks fairly standard LCC Tramways, not sure how much was kept of the 1882 structure.
Wandsworth site is also horse tram vintage (1883) but Ian's Bus Stop says it was rebuilt 1906, which matches the LCCT look. It didn't get rebuilt in the early 50s. Although not sure if there's any TFL work there at the moment of course.
Bow, Fulwell and Holloway (HT) are still largely the tram depot structures. I know Norwood got heavily rebuilt in the early 80s, but couldn't say how much of the original is still there under the surface. The facade of Putney looks newer than 1880s, but I don't know the place well enough to say what the rest of the building is like. Similarly Shepherds Bush.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2023 23:15:02 GMT
AF (Putney) - opened 1888 for horse buses BN (Brixton) - opened 1892 for cable trams CT (Clapton) - opened 1882 for horse trams TH (Thornton Heath) - opened 1879 for Croydon horse trams although was rebuilt in 1950-1 as a bus garage. Several garages date back to the early 1900s when road-based public transport (buses and electric trams) was booming as new technology brought in faster speeds and cheap fares. Some of these have been largely or completely rebuilt in the intervening years. e.g. AC (Willesden), AD (Palmers Green), AL (Merton), AR (Tottenham), AV (Hounslow), Q (Camberwell), T (Leyton) all opened as bus garages for the LGOC between 1912-1914 (LGOC - London General Omnibus Company, one of the forerunners of London Transport). BW (Bow), opened as an electric tram depot in 1908 FW (Fulwell), opened aa an electric tram depot in 1902 HT (Holloway), opened as an eletric tram depot in 1907 N (Norwood), opened as a LGOC bus garage in 1907 NX (New Cross), opened as an electric tram depot in 1906 S (Shepherds Bush), opened as a bus garage for a private operator in 1909 Further garages were built in the outer suburbs as London expanded outward in the 1920s and 1930s, some of which are still in use today. www.countrybus.org/garage.htmInteresting question. I'm fairly sure that both Brixton and New Cross were completely demolished then rebuilt c. 1950-52 for the tram replacement programme, and don't think there's anything left of the tram depot buildings at either. The structure at Clapton looks fairly standard LCC Tramways, not sure how much was kept of the 1882 structure. Wandsworth site is also horse tram vintage (1883) but Ian's Bus Stop says it was rebuilt 1906, which matches the LCCT look. It didn't get rebuilt in the early 50s. Although not sure if there's any TFL work there at the moment of course. Bow, Fulwell and Holloway (HT) are still largely the tram depot structures. I know Norwood got heavily rebuilt in the early 80s, but couldn't say how much of the original is still there under the surface. The facade of Putney looks newer than 1880s, but I don't know the place well enough to say what the rest of the building is like. Similarly Shepherds Bush. There is certainly something left at Brixton - the tram shed still stands on Brixton Hill and has been an outstation of the main site for well over a decade now (the original signage still remains above the door from when it first opened). What's more, the 319's electrics are charged in there so it will be around for many years to come too.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 7, 2023 20:02:59 GMT
Interesting question. I'm fairly sure that both Brixton and New Cross were completely demolished then rebuilt c. 1950-52 for the tram replacement programme, and don't think there's anything left of the tram depot buildings at either. The structure at Clapton looks fairly standard LCC Tramways, not sure how much was kept of the 1882 structure. Wandsworth site is also horse tram vintage (1883) but Ian's Bus Stop says it was rebuilt 1906, which matches the LCCT look. It didn't get rebuilt in the early 50s. Although not sure if there's any TFL work there at the moment of course. Bow, Fulwell and Holloway (HT) are still largely the tram depot structures. I know Norwood got heavily rebuilt in the early 80s, but couldn't say how much of the original is still there under the surface. The facade of Putney looks newer than 1880s, but I don't know the place well enough to say what the rest of the building is like. Similarly Shepherds Bush. There is certainly something left at Brixton - the tram shed still stands on Brixton Hill and has been an outstation of the main site for well over a decade now (the original signage still remains above the door from when it first opened). What's more, the 319's electrics are charged in there so it will be around for many years to come too. What was the tram shed used for before Arriva took over it? Or has it been a bus garage since the 50s
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Post by vjaska on Oct 7, 2023 20:09:38 GMT
There is certainly something left at Brixton - the tram shed still stands on Brixton Hill and has been an outstation of the main site for well over a decade now (the original signage still remains above the door from when it first opened). What's more, the 319's electrics are charged in there so it will be around for many years to come too. What was the tram shed used for before Arriva took over it? Or has it been a bus garage since the 50s Greenline ran their coaches from there during the 90’s & early 00’s from memory as I remember seeing the coaches anytime I passed by
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Post by Catford94 on Oct 7, 2023 20:33:18 GMT
There is certainly something left at Brixton - the tram shed still stands on Brixton Hill and has been an outstation of the main site for well over a decade now (the original signage still remains above the door from when it first opened). What's more, the 319's electrics are charged in there so it will be around for many years to come too.
I suppose that depends if you regard Brixton Hill as 'part of' Brixton Garage - it is, and always was, a separate site / building a few hundred yards away. In tram days, there were separate destination displays for 'Brixton Hill Depot' and 'Depot Telford Avenue' (although the word 'depot' was part of both displays) - I hadn't really counted it as the same, although administratively it was an outstation of Telford Avenue Depot in the same way it's an outstation of Brixton Garage.
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Post by Catford94 on Oct 7, 2023 20:40:58 GMT
What was the tram shed used for before Arriva took over it? Or has it been a bus garage since the 50s
It wasn't an operational bus garage after the 1950/51 tram conversions, although it may have been used for bus storage in the 1950s, either for buses waiting to be used for tram replacement, or for withdrawn buses, or possibly even buses held in reserve prior to the 1951 Festival of Britain or the 1953 Coronation (part of the site of Norwood Tram depot was) although I've not seen anything that definitely confirms this.
There is a photo dated 1956 of the building up for sale on Flickr here (neither my photo or Flickr account) and I understand it was in motor trade use for many years.
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Post by yunus on Oct 8, 2023 18:18:12 GMT
Any sites where I can track buses outside London? I want to ride Stagecoach TAs so wondering where else still has them apart from Guildford and across Surrey.
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Post by lonmark on Oct 8, 2023 18:24:28 GMT
Any sites where I can track buses outside London? I want to ride Stagecoach TAs so wondering where else still has them apart from Guildford and across Surrey. You can do via bustimes.org/
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Post by COBO on Oct 12, 2023 20:37:56 GMT
Bar the Oyster card for kids and students. And now that most people have contactless cards do you ever think that the Oyster card would ever be scrapped?
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