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Post by PGAT on Aug 29, 2024 19:59:31 GMT
Is the SL5’s tree issue on South Eden Park Road? Yes
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 31, 2024 0:14:36 GMT
If a TFL inspector boards a bus and finds out that a passenger hasn't paid for their fare, does the driver also get a sanction / fine / warning for letting them on for free? Not anymore, as long as the driver has pressed the fare evasion button, they are covered.
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Post by COBO on Sept 1, 2024 16:09:17 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed?
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 1, 2024 18:57:35 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed? They can certainly help guide TfL's processes and in certain cases have sponsored a route or line of route. The one I specifically recall, not in the current era, was the London Borough of Newham who pressed for the 299 route between Maryland (for what was then North East London Polytechnic), Stratford Centre, Clays Lane Estate (where many NELP students then lodged) and the Eastway Sports Centre. while that was in the LB Hackney it owed a lot to Newham. Clays Lane was demolished to make way for the 2012 Olympic Village. The 299 itself was a one-bus LS operation from WH using a vehicle spare from the 278 allocation. It later became a Titan-worked route but lost its Maryland extension at the same time. I believe that currently the London Borough of Barnet has influence on the local town routes 389 / 399 around High Barnet and Hadley Wood.
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Post by Catford94 on Sept 1, 2024 19:36:22 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed?
I'm not sure of current arrangements, but there's certainly some dialogue between TFL and the boroughs. I'd have thought that if there were routes that were part funded by boroughs, the boroughs would make it more well known, but my not knowing of any arrangements of course does not prove they aren't there.
In previous years, I'm aware of Lewisham Council funding some shoppers' routes in the run up to Christmas each year from the mid 80s to early 90s - think they were Saturdays only some years at least, and saw LS, BL and later SR / MW buses run them (I don't have any of my own photos online from that era, but a search on 'Lewisham Centrelink' on Flickr will bring a few up.) I have an idea it also ran one year using the Council's own buses (local education authorities have powers to use their non-PSV buses for public services) but I can't find anything to show they did, so may have remembered this wrong.
These routes are the ancestors of what are now TFL routes including the 273, 284 and Lewisham end of the 484.
And in more recent years, there was Islington Council's route 812, also outside the TFL network.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 1, 2024 21:10:39 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed? A few routes in South-West London have their roots in services that were funded or part-funded by local councils. Most notably the H20 started as a LB Hounslow route and was not initially part of the London bus network. The buses were owned by LB Hounslow but were operated on their behalf by Westlink (a London Buses subsidiary which was bought out by London United post-privatisation). The route ended up being absorbed into the London network in the late 1990s.
The H25 was also started with financial assistance from LB Hounslow, but unlike the H20 it was part of the London network from the start.
Two routes numbered RH1 and RH2 were introduced by the Richmond health authority to improve links to local health facilities. These later became routes R61 and R62 with financial assistance from LB Richmond. The R61 was later merged with the K6 to form today's 485 (although the route has changed beyond all recognition since then) while the R62 was largely replaced by today's 481.
All this is of course well in the past, and I doubt local councils have anything near the amount of money needed to fund a London bus route these days.
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Post by sw2 on Sept 1, 2024 21:17:15 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed? A few routes in South-West London have their roots in services that were funded or part-funded by local councils. Most notably the H20 started as a LB Hounslow route and was not initially part of the London bus network. The buses were owned by LB Hounslow but were operated on their behalf by Westlink (a London Buses subsidiary which was bought out by London United post-privatisation). The route ended up being absorbed into the London network in the late 1990s.
The H25 was also started with financial assistance from LB Hounslow, but unlike the H20 it was part of the London network from the start.
Two routes numbered RH1 and RH2 were introduced by the Richmond health authority to improve links to local health facilities. These later became routes R61 and R62 with financial assistance from LB Richmond. The R61 was later merged with the K6 to form today's 485 (although the route has changed beyond all recognition since then) while the R62 was largely replaced by today's 481.
All this is of course well in the past, and I doubt local councils have anything near the amount of money needed to fund a London bus route these days.
Do councils force large developments to fund aspects of routes/ route changes as a condition to receive planning permission?
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 1, 2024 22:24:16 GMT
A few routes in South-West London have their roots in services that were funded or part-funded by local councils. Most notably the H20 started as a LB Hounslow route and was not initially part of the London bus network. The buses were owned by LB Hounslow but were operated on their behalf by Westlink (a London Buses subsidiary which was bought out by London United post-privatisation). The route ended up being absorbed into the London network in the late 1990s.
The H25 was also started with financial assistance from LB Hounslow, but unlike the H20 it was part of the London network from the start.
Two routes numbered RH1 and RH2 were introduced by the Richmond health authority to improve links to local health facilities. These later became routes R61 and R62 with financial assistance from LB Richmond. The R61 was later merged with the K6 to form today's 485 (although the route has changed beyond all recognition since then) while the R62 was largely replaced by today's 481.
All this is of course well in the past, and I doubt local councils have anything near the amount of money needed to fund a London bus route these days.
Do councils force large developments to fund aspects of routes/ route changes as a condition to receive planning permission? Read up on s.106 funding. But also read up on how developers very often manage to circumvent the requirements. One method has been to "overspend" on the actual development meaning the developer then walks away and fails to pay for the public transport services citing "lack of funds". Mention of the "R" routes reminds me that the present-day R68 and R70 are both derived from LB Richmond-supported welfare routes outside the red bus network. There was also an R69 which was absorbed into others in the network when they transferred to LRT operation.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 1, 2024 22:59:55 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed? They can certainly help guide TfL's processes and in certain cases have sponsored a route or line of route. The one I specifically recall, not in the current era, was the London Borough of Newham who pressed for the 299 route between Maryland (for what was then North East London Polytechnic), Stratford Centre, Clays Lane Estate (where many NELP students then lodged) and the Eastway Sports Centre. while that was in the LB Hackney it owed a lot to Newham. Clays Lane was demolished to make way for the 2012 Olympic Village. The 299 itself was a one-bus LS operation from WH using a vehicle spare from the 278 allocation. It later became a Titan-worked route but lost its Maryland extension at the same time. I believe that currently the London Borough of Barnet has influence on the local town routes 389 / 399 around High Barnet and Hadley Wood. That was a route very hard to track down the 299. I remember only a few times seeing a Titan, never saw the Leyland National workings. The 278, I remember that route well with Leyland Nationals when some poor driver went past a bus stop and the passengers constantly ringing it shouting a the driver telling him if he is deaf
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 2, 2024 6:47:24 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed? Doubt this one required funding in itself but LB Waltham Forest did request the W12 be removed from Walthamstow Village iirc as is happening on Saturday.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 2, 2024 6:56:21 GMT
Do councils force large developments to fund aspects of routes/ route changes as a condition to receive planning permission? Read up on s.106 funding. But also read up on how developers very often manage to circumvent the requirements. One method has been to "overspend" on the actual development meaning the developer then walks away and fails to pay for the public transport services citing "lack of funds". Mention of the "R" routes reminds me that the present-day R68 and R70 are both derived from LB Richmond-supported welfare routes outside the red bus network. There was also an R69 which was absorbed into others in the network when they transferred to LRT operation. Are you sure about the R68 and R70? The R68 started as a localisation of the 267, which was itself a trolleybus replacement route. The R70 was a renumbering of the 270, which had started life as a localisation of the 27. There may have been council funding for the extension of the 270 into Nurserylands but other than that these were well-established routes within the red bus network. I don't know if there was any council funding for the R69 but that was also a red bus route from the start.
On the other hand the R61 and R62 that I mentioned in an earlier post were derived from non-red routes (RH1 and RH2).
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Post by TB123 on Sept 2, 2024 8:54:44 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 2, 2024 11:08:19 GMT
Can a London council fund a route to be altered or changed? Doubt this one required funding in itself but LB Waltham Forest did request the W12 be removed from Walthamstow Village iirc as is happening on Saturday. Back in the 90's Waltham Forest funded the evening service and re-routing via Whipps Cross hospital on route W12.
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Post by dopeydeed on Sept 5, 2024 23:31:39 GMT
Hi all,
This is my first post but I've been reading the threads on this forum for a few years now (only made my account last year). Apologies if this is the wrong thread to post this on but I am a young man in need of advice. I really want to get into the bus industry, particularly the engineering (bus technician) side, but I am unsure how and I do not have experience in that field. The most I have are GCSE qualifications which are considered above average / excellent. Apprenticeships don't require you to have experience but they are extremely competitive. I do have a full UK drivers licence with no penalties so I have considered going for a trainee bus driver role and then work my way into an engineering role but I'd want that to be my last resort. I don't know anyone who works in the industry personally so that makes things more complex. I'd love to be able to be shown around a garage and observe technicians at work and learn from them. Even just to have some work experience (regardless if it's paid or unpaid). Can anyone provide me any insight on how I can get myself into the bus world? I'm open to any suggestions and would love to converse about it more.
Thanks for reading.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 6, 2024 22:43:43 GMT
Hi all, This is my first post but I've been reading the threads on this forum for a few years now (only made my account last year). Apologies if this is the wrong thread to post this on but I am a young man in need of advice. I really want to get into the bus industry, particularly the engineering (bus technician) side, but I am unsure how and I do not have experience in that field. The most I have are GCSE qualifications which are considered above average / excellent. Apprenticeships don't require you to have experience but they are extremely competitive. I do have a full UK drivers licence with no penalties so I have considered going for a trainee bus driver role and then work my way into an engineering role but I'd want that to be my last resort. I don't know anyone who works in the industry personally so that makes things more complex. I'd love to be able to be shown around a garage and observe technicians at work and learn from them. Even just to have some work experience (regardless if it's paid or unpaid). Can anyone provide me any insight on how I can get myself into the bus world? I'm open to any suggestions and would love to converse about it more. Thanks for reading. Arriva and a few of the other London operators do have apprenticeship programs, it is usually around 3 years and has on site training at garages and at a college. You would end up with a qualification and get paid (although not much) In the end you would be a fully qualified bus mechanic earning around £40k per year
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