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Post by Volvo on Apr 14, 2024 13:18:48 GMT
Has anyone been on the university of west London 19reg E200s MMCs?
I've been hearing them when I'm on stand at Ealing Broadway and they don't sound like voith, they sound like Allison, can anyone confirm ?
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Post by yunus on Apr 14, 2024 18:36:18 GMT
Where has the tender speculation thread gone?
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 14, 2024 18:52:07 GMT
Where has the tender speculation thread gone? On the second page of the tender update subforum, because no-one has posted anything in that thread in the last few days.
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Post by COBO on Apr 14, 2024 20:53:05 GMT
Where has the tender speculation thread gone? On the second page of the tender update subforum, because no-one has posted anything in that thread in the last few days. Which is funny because it used to be one of frequently used threads in this forum and now it’s on the 2nd page 😂
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 14, 2024 21:04:30 GMT
On the second page of the tender update subforum, because no-one has posted anything in that thread in the last few days. Which is funny because it used to be one of frequently used threads in this forum and now it’s on the 2nd page 😂 Would imagine it's a side effect of multiple routes now only having one bidder. We have had multiple tender results now without any operator changes (not that it's a bad thing) and there's considerable gaps coming up where there are now no operator changes for months. While operator changes are fun for enthusiasts, the real world moves how the market dictates and currently it seems most operators would rather just keep what they have with good prices rather than attempting to win work for the sake of it. Probably even more amplified now where it's not just a case of stuffing a new route into a garage but also various infrastructure works along with each route due to the zero emission aim.
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Post by yunus on Apr 14, 2024 21:08:23 GMT
Which is funny because it used to be one of frequently used threads in this forum and now it’s on the 2nd page 😂 Would imagine it's a side effect of multiple routes now only having one bidder. We have had multiple tender results now without any operator changes (not that it's a bad thing) and there's considerable gaps coming up where there are now no operator changes for months. While operator changes are fun for enthusiasts, the real world moves how the market dictates and currently it seems most operators would rather just keep what they have with good prices rather than attempting to win work for the sake of it. Probably even more amplified now where it's not just a case of stuffing a new route into a garage but also various infrastructure works along with each route due to the zero emission aim. I am trying to put 2 + 2 together but not adding up in my head correctly. As we are seeing all Diesel & Hybrid contract terminate by the end of 2030 at the very latest. Something must be happening behind closed doors not within the public domain. Slightly off topic but I expect costs to go down with Electrics once the infrastructure is live and no doubt the govt will fund.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 14, 2024 21:23:37 GMT
Would imagine it's a side effect of multiple routes now only having one bidder. We have had multiple tender results now without any operator changes (not that it's a bad thing) and there's considerable gaps coming up where there are now no operator changes for months. While operator changes are fun for enthusiasts, the real world moves how the market dictates and currently it seems most operators would rather just keep what they have with good prices rather than attempting to win work for the sake of it. Probably even more amplified now where it's not just a case of stuffing a new route into a garage but also various infrastructure works along with each route due to the zero emission aim. I am trying to put 2 + 2 together but not adding up in my head correctly. As we are seeing all Diesel & Hybrid contract terminate by the end of 2030 at the very latest. Something must be happening behind closed doors not within the public domain. Slightly off topic but I expect costs to go down with Electrics once the infrastructure is live and no doubt the govt will fund. Sorry but I am a bit confused by this post. The 2030 deadline is subject to further funding and has been mentioned several times. It could still be 2034! What’s not adding up? There is nothing going on any different. Routes are still being tendered in the usual way.
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Post by yunus on Apr 14, 2024 21:26:18 GMT
I am trying to put 2 + 2 together but not adding up in my head correctly. As we are seeing all Diesel & Hybrid contract terminate by the end of 2030 at the very latest. Something must be happening behind closed doors not within the public domain. Slightly off topic but I expect costs to go down with Electrics once the infrastructure is live and no doubt the govt will fund. Sorry but I am a bit confused by this post. The 2030 deadline is subject to further funding and has been mentioned several times. It could still be 2034! What’s not adding up? There is nothing going on any different. Routes are still being tendered in the usual way. What I was referring to is these new short term contracts in plans TFL may have not in the public domain. I do fully predict that if we have a new govt by next year working with this mayor they will secure additional funding for 2030. This current govt seem to be very anti London.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 14, 2024 21:41:04 GMT
Sorry but I am a bit confused by this post. The 2030 deadline is subject to further funding and has been mentioned several times. It could still be 2034! What’s not adding up? There is nothing going on any different. Routes are still being tendered in the usual way. What I was referring to is these new short term contracts in plans TFL may have not in the public domain. I do fully predict that if we have a new govt by next year working with this mayor they will secure additional funding for 2030. This current govt seem to be very anti London. Anti London? We have not exactly done bad! If we get a new government they will want to be seen spending money outside of London. Even if funding was to be secured I am very doubtful manufacturers can meet the needs of London and other places within the next 6 years! Then you have the power network issues to resolve.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 14, 2024 22:12:16 GMT
What I was referring to is these new short term contracts in plans TFL may have not in the public domain. I do fully predict that if we have a new govt by next year working with this mayor they will secure additional funding for 2030. This current govt seem to be very anti London. Anti London? We have not exactly done bad! If we get a new government they will want to be seen spending money outside of London. Even if funding was to be secured I am very doubtful manufacturers can meet the needs of London and other places within the next 6 years! Then you have the power network issues to resolve. What this current government delivered for transport projects in London? No Bakerloo line extension. No Crossrail 2. No Sutton Tram. No DLR to Thamesmead. No Overground devolution. The only capital project since 2019 the government have supported or got the ball rolling on is Thamesmead in BRT.
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Post by COBO on Apr 16, 2024 13:35:43 GMT
Why do hail and ride stops are named and listed on TfL but don’t show the countdown feed of bus routes approaching that stop?
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Post by yunus on Apr 17, 2024 19:39:01 GMT
Continuing this discussion from the Reading Bus Thread,
The key difference for the way that I identify a Smart Hybrid (48v tech) vs a conventional EURO 6 Diesel is with a slight electric sound when accelerating.
In London or on Stagecoach buses it is simple with the fleet code.
Please could someone correct me if I am wrong?
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Post by Catford94 on Apr 17, 2024 22:38:37 GMT
Why do hail and ride stops are named and listed on TfL but don’t show the countdown feed of bus routes approaching that stop?
And similarly, when a bus enters a hail + ride section, the display on the bus shows the next fixed stop, and the unofficial tracker on 'traintimes' shows buses just taking a straight line between the fixed stops at either end of the hail and ride bit.
I don't know the answer, but wonder if it's because with a fixed stop, the kit on the bus (and therefore countdown) knows (more or less) once a bus has passed the stop, but with hail and ride, that's not so easy to define. I'd have thought you could set up 'imaginary' stops along a hail and ride section so the kit could track the bus although that could cause some confusion.
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Post by gwiwer on Apr 18, 2024 10:14:53 GMT
Given that London "hail & ride" is not true hail & ride in most cases this should not be hard at all.
Almost all of TfL's so-called H&R routes / sections have fixed stopping places marked by a timetable case but not a stop flag and n marked stopping bay on the road. In other cases the stops are normally only at the more significant junctions. Either way these locations could be used as defined points for tracking purposes.
True H&R means the driver will stop at any point they consider safe, not just beside a timetable case or across a junction where the door can (usually) be adjacent to a kerb.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 18, 2024 10:19:33 GMT
Given that London "hail & ride" is not true hail & ride in most cases this should not be hard at all. Almost all of TfL's so-called H&R routes / sections have fixed stopping places marked by a timetable case but not a stop flag and n marked stopping bay on the road. In other cases the stops are normally only at the more significant junctions. Either way these locations could be used as defined points for tracking purposes. True H&R means the driver will stop at any point they consider safe, not just beside a timetable case or across a junction where the door can (usually) be adjacent to a kerb. The 413 is definitely an exception to what you say. It has two fixed stop on Gander Green Lane and none of those timetable markers you describe in between. Although locals are fairly good at predicting where the bus will stop. I have seen some shockers though like a bus pulling up just after a mini roundabout, in between parked cars for a pickup or in front of one of those traffic gates.
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