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Post by sid on Nov 14, 2016 9:54:57 GMT
Two questions that I'm sure I can easily research but I prefer answers from my fellow forum members A) what was the 'Green line' route that used to serve the Hammersmith bus station when it first/recently opened? (I'm sure it was a London transport service... I also know we have a 702 passing Hammersmith but I'm sure 715 rings a certain bell, no pun intended!) I ask the above question because I saw an episode of Bottom last night, which is set in Hammersmith, and Richie talks about being sneezed on by a conductor, and referring it to the 'Green line' 😷 2) am I right in thinking that the 77C was a school day service? I ask because we all remember 77A but to my recollection there wasn't a 77B, in peacetime at least. So I wonder if the C stood for 'child/children'? The 704/5 served Hammersmith many years ago, Windsor to Sevenoaks if I recall correctly? The 77B was withdrawn in the 70's as was the 77C although the latter was reintroduced as a school route in the early 90's, more detail at: www.londonbuses.co.uk/ |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 14, 2016 10:12:03 GMT
Two questions that I'm sure I can easily research but I prefer answers from my fellow forum members A) what was the 'Green line' route that used to serve the Hammersmith bus station when it first/recently opened? (I'm sure it was a London transport service... I also know we have a 702 passing Hammersmith but I'm sure 715 rings a certain bell, no pun intended!) I ask the above question because I saw an episode of Bottom last night, which is set in Hammersmith, and Richie talks about being sneezed on by a conductor, and referring it to the 'Green line' 😷 2) am I right in thinking that the 77C was a school day service? I ask because we all remember 77A but to my recollection there wasn't a 77B, in peacetime at least. So I wonder if the C stood for 'child/children'? The 77C indeed was a school service introduced in the 1990's, first with RM's, then with M's and finally surprisingly made it into the 2000's using PVL's before being renumbered 670. Not sure why it wasn't renumbered under London Transport unlike the 189 & 326S which became 689 & 626 respectively. |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 14, 2016 10:32:30 GMT
Two questions that I'm sure I can easily research but I prefer answers from my fellow forum members A) what was the 'Green line' route that used to serve the Hammersmith bus station when it first/recently opened? (I'm sure it was a London transport service... I also know we have a 702 passing Hammersmith but I'm sure 715 rings a certain bell, no pun intended!) I ask the above question because I saw an episode of Bottom last night, which is set in Hammersmith, and Richie talks about being sneezed on by a conductor, and referring it to the 'Green line' 😷 2) am I right in thinking that the 77C was a school day service? I ask because we all remember 77A but to my recollection there wasn't a 77B, in peacetime at least. So I wonder if the C stood for 'child/children'? The 77C indeed was a school service introduced in the 1990's, first with RM's, then with M's and finally surprisingly made it into the 2000's using PVL's before being renumbered 670. Not sure why it wasn't renumbered under London Transport unlike the 189 & 326S which became 689 & 626 respectively. re the 77/77A/77B/77C histories, check out 'Ian Armstrong's London Bus Routes' page all the answers and permutations are there. Here's a taster from his page  Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 11:24:41 GMT
Cheers all for the responses and thanks for the taster pic John Tuthill!
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Post by snoggle on Dec 1, 2016 16:43:22 GMT
Does anyone know if TfL require, via bus route contracts, that all bus drivers and company route supervisors wear a company uniform when working on TfL work? No specific reason for asking - just curious as to whether it's a TfL requirement or something that operators decide to do for themselves (regardless of size).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 7:00:37 GMT
We all know about all the bus spider maps, but out of all of them, which has the most routes on it?
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Post by COBO on Jan 7, 2017 20:56:32 GMT
Why is there a delay on the 220? I have been waiting 20 minutes at Putney for 220. Buses are normally more frequent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 16:25:47 GMT
Why is there a delay on the 220? I have been waiting 20 minutes at Putney for 220. Buses are normally more frequent. Putney (or Stayputney as I call it) is often a nightmare and it seems you were there last night about 9, 10pm? Unless you were waiting on the bridge itself or at the cinema to see it wasn't the case, I'd say traffic. |
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Post by COBO on Jan 9, 2017 13:50:47 GMT
Why is there a delay on the 220? I have been waiting 20 minutes at Putney for 220. Buses are normally more frequent. Putney (or Stayputney as I call it) is often a nightmare and it seems you were there last night about 9, 10pm? Unless you were waiting on the bridge itself or at the cinema to see it wasn't the case, I'd say traffic. It probably was traffic. I was waiting by Gourmet Burger Kitchen. I always find that the 270 is more frequent than the 220 and if something happens North of the Bridge then I'm Screwed because there is no alternatives to the 220. Like for example a couple of weeks ago there was an accident in Hammersmith and there was no 220s running south of Hammersmith and I thought that I was going to be stuck in Putney forever but luckily the 414 was still running so I got on that instead. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 10, 2017 0:22:55 GMT
A question for the controllers / bus company people on here. In TfL land what is the difference between "service control measures" and "service mitigation measures"?
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Post by MoEnviro on Jan 10, 2017 1:01:57 GMT
A question for the controllers / bus company people on here. In TfL land what is the difference between "service control measures" and "service mitigation measures"? As I understand it, service control measures are things like managing the headways on a route whereas mitigation is TfL approved, if delays on a route exceed 40 mins, then cut three out of four buses back to x. I believe the mitigation is normally pre approved with TfL and the controllers are responsible for telling Centrecomm when delays are becoming a problem so they can say go to stage 1 mitigation etc. |
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 25, 2017 16:32:24 GMT
A question for the controllers / bus company people on here. In TfL land what is the difference between "service control measures" and "service mitigation measures"? As I understand it, service control measures are things like managing the headways on a route whereas mitigation is TfL approved, if delays on a route exceed 40 mins, then cut three out of four buses back to x. I believe the mitigation is normally pre approved with TfL and the controllers are responsible for telling Centrecomm when delays are becoming a problem so they can say go to stage 1 mitigation etc. That bit about telling CentreComm seems to make sense. Informing them of delays over forty minutes has allowed for messages on Countdown to be issused, warning of distuption to routes in an area. Clever work; just would like to know why 40 minutes is the material time-mark for disruption. |
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Post by Trident on Jan 25, 2017 19:45:26 GMT
A question for the controllers / bus company people on here. In TfL land what is the difference between "service control measures" and "service mitigation measures"? Service control measures are for example any minor delays that may mean you issue an odd curtailment to put them back on time, this would usually be down to the controller and how much of a turn that point is for it to be justified. Mitigation measures would usually start to come in when delays exceed 25-30 minutes, maybe less depending on the route or maybe more. This can be 3 out of 4 buses into a terminus, or even more (Up to 5 or 6 for example until delays become too excessive to the point where rounders are written off as there won't be enough time to do a very short trip to the nearest authorised curtail point and back for instance). As long as the buses are put into good headways and the readings at key QSI points are good then the overall reading on the route will not be as badly damaged compared to sending too many buses into a disruption zone. |
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Post by Trident on Jan 25, 2017 19:48:20 GMT
As I understand it, service control measures are things like managing the headways on a route whereas mitigation is TfL approved, if delays on a route exceed 40 mins, then cut three out of four buses back to x. I believe the mitigation is normally pre approved with TfL and the controllers are responsible for telling Centrecomm when delays are becoming a problem so they can say go to stage 1 mitigation etc. That bit about telling CentreComm seems to make sense. Informing them of delays over forty minutes has allowed for messages on Countdown to be issused, warning of distuption to routes in an area. Clever work; just would like to know why 40 minutes is the material time-mark for disruption. Sometimes the nearest turn would be too big, and you can't really let buses stand at your point for a considerably long time. The 25 for example, Tottenham Court Road is a 45 minute curtailment point due to the amount of running time on the route. |
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Post by COBO on Feb 17, 2017 11:15:53 GMT
Will the 3 and the 8 return to Oxford Circus? will the 148 return to White City?
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