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Post by snowman on Apr 5, 2017 6:39:46 GMT
The 100 is being shortened this weekend, so about a third of its relatively new fleet become spare, which route are these moving to ?
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Post by TA1 on Apr 5, 2017 7:38:12 GMT
The 100 is being shortened this weekend, so about a third of its relatively new fleet become spare, which route are these moving to ? They're due to move down to the roundabout network in Orpington for the route R2, i believe. |
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Post by Nathan on Apr 5, 2017 8:08:53 GMT
The 100 is being shortened this weekend, so about a third of its relatively new fleet become spare, which route are these moving to ? They're due to move down to the roundabout network in Orpington for the route R2, i believe. I think it would have been better to send them to the G1 |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2017 8:59:33 GMT
They're due to move down to the roundabout network in Orpington for the route R2, i believe. I think it would have been better to send them to the G1 They possibly might be too long for the G1's Battersea terminus where buses use a side road to reverse to reach the stand. Whenever LDP's went out on the G1, they terminated at Clapham Junction. |
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Post by Nathan on Apr 5, 2017 9:47:30 GMT
I think it would have been better to send them to the G1 They possibly might be too long for the G1's Battersea terminus where buses use a side road to reverse to reach the stand. Whenever LDP's went out on the G1, they terminated at Clapham Junction. Aren't the route 100's buses short wheel-based? |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 5, 2017 10:01:09 GMT
They possibly might be too long for the G1's Battersea terminus where buses use a side road to reverse to reach the stand. Whenever LDP's went out on the G1, they terminated at Clapham Junction. Aren't the route 100's buses short wheel-based? They're 9.6m |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2017 10:56:12 GMT
They possibly might be too long for the G1's Battersea terminus where buses use a side road to reverse to reach the stand. Whenever LDP's went out on the G1, they terminated at Clapham Junction. Aren't the route 100's buses short wheel-based? They're 9.6m which is longer than the SE's & LDP's and may still be too long for the reversing manoeuvre. |
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Post by redexpress on Apr 9, 2017 0:07:25 GMT
Will 283 return to Barnes, and if so, when? I guess roughly when 72 is cleared to go DD?  Londonbusroutes.net now states that the curtailment to Hammersmith is being made permanent, officially from 15 April. Not a huge surprise really. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 9, 2017 11:54:30 GMT
Will 283 return to Barnes, and if so, when? I guess roughly when 72 is cleared to go DD? Londonbusroutes.net now states that the curtailment to Hammersmith is being made permanent, officially from 15 April. Not a huge surprise really. Another secret bus cut being made without any public consultation. |
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Post by redbus on Apr 9, 2017 20:30:36 GMT
Londonbusroutes.net now states that the curtailment to Hammersmith is being made permanent, officially from 15 April. Not a huge surprise really. Another secret bus cut being made without any public consultation. Indeed. I am quite clearly extremely naïve here in expecting a consultation on such matters (not that a consultation means anything these days). What are rules that allow such changes to take place without consultation? |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 9, 2017 21:52:45 GMT
Another secret bus cut being made without any public consultation. Indeed. I am quite clearly extremely naïve here in expecting a consultation on such matters (not that a consultation means anything these days). What are rules that allow such changes to take place without consultation? TfL thinking they can get away with it?? I think the scope of consultations covers, according to TfL's statements, reroutings / extensions / curtailments to routes, frequency changes, stop changes (e.g. loss of hail and ride). However TfL are completely and utterly inconsistent (and I'd say hypocritical) over their use of the consultation process. I won't bore you and others by repeating the issue that still infuriates me but I wouldn't trust TfL as far as I could throw them over their application of the consultation process in accordance with their own stated "rules". |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Apr 9, 2017 22:38:07 GMT
Indeed. I am quite clearly extremely naïve here in expecting a consultation on such matters (not that a consultation means anything these days). What are rules that allow such changes to take place without consultation? TfL thinking they can get away with it?? I think the scope of consultations covers, according to TfL's statements, reroutings / extensions / curtailments to routes, frequency changes, stop changes (e.g. loss of hail and ride). However TfL are completely and utterly inconsistent (and I'd say hypocritical) over their use of the consultation process. I won't bore you and others by repeating the issue that still infuriates me but I wouldn't trust TfL as far as I could throw them over their application of the consultation process in accordance with their own stated "rules". It defies common sense that they consulted on the frequency reduction of the 15H from x15 mins to x20 mins (pretty insignificant I'd say to most people) yet they don't consult on a permanent shortening of the 283. Not that a consultation makes a blind but of difference anyway, but still |
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Post by snowman on Apr 10, 2017 6:17:56 GMT
TfL thinking they can get away with it?? I think the scope of consultations covers, according to TfL's statements, reroutings / extensions / curtailments to routes, frequency changes, stop changes (e.g. loss of hail and ride). However TfL are completely and utterly inconsistent (and I'd say hypocritical) over their use of the consultation process. I won't bore you and others by repeating the issue that still infuriates me but I wouldn't trust TfL as far as I could throw them over their application of the consultation process in accordance with their own stated "rules". It defies common sense that they consulted on the frequency reduction of the 15H from x15 mins to x20 mins (pretty insignificant I'd say to most people) yet they don't consult on a permanent shortening of the 283. Not that a consultation makes a blind but of difference anyway, but still I have noticed this is now becoming common, have a temporary change, then quietly make it permanent Temporary changes are not consulted on, the logic then seems to be, no consultation to replace like with like One of the recent tender wins also made permanent a temporary change (so has also sneaked through without consultation) Unfortunately the whole consultation process is no longer worth anything as responses are ignored if not consistent with proposed change, when issued they are so awash with terminology that is operating process based, rather than passenger based, the response questions are selective as well. Effectively just a token effort to meet in legislation as no-one enforces the law on consultations. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 11, 2017 20:52:49 GMT
For those forum members resident in or near to or frequent visitors to Croydon would it be sensible for me to try to avoid the place at all costs during the current road works if I was to attempt a "round London by bus" ride on Good Friday? I'm not reading good reports on the traffic conditions in Croydon at the moment.
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Post by ibus246 on Apr 11, 2017 21:16:35 GMT
For those forum members resident in or near to or frequent visitors to Croydon would it be sensible for me to try to avoid the place at all costs during the current road works if I was to attempt a "round London by bus" ride on Good Friday? I'm not reading good reports on the traffic conditions in Croydon at the moment. Yes, I would avoid it - I was there yesterday and it was Gridlock on Wellesley Road thus causing the whole of the surrounding roads to be jammed with traffic. If you are going to do it, I would advise to steer clear of centre Croydon but by all means do the outskirts |
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