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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 13:50:50 GMT
Absolute crime not to be detailing what ‘day’ routes will run throughout the night. Surely they know what is running with two nights to go, how hard is it to list them?
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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2017 14:33:23 GMT
Absolute crime not to be detailing what ‘day’ routes will run throughout the night. Surely they know what is running with two nights to go, how hard is it to list them? Worse - if you use social media to ask, as TfL tell you to, they can't be bothered to respond. TfL do know what will run, no one is available to update the web page and they haven't been since mid December. Still I am sure TfL is nice and "lean" in accordance with the Mayor's demands and the budget saving is fantastic. Meanwhile the poor travelling public can "go and do one".
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Post by john on Dec 29, 2017 14:43:54 GMT
Ask you local operators if you're unsure. I know we are running the 174 and 248 as 24 hour this year.
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Post by sid on Dec 29, 2017 15:11:43 GMT
Absolute crime not to be detailing what ‘day’ routes will run throughout the night. Surely they know what is running with two nights to go, how hard is it to list them? Absolutely and heads really should roll over this, obviously they'll all be carrying little more than fresh air as nobody knows they are running. You really couldn't make it up!
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Dec 29, 2017 16:12:23 GMT
So will 486. This is looking promising. Following the 157's NYE axe, I worry about Carshalton and Wallington being screwed over, but if 154N runs it won't be bad. Also darn shame to see 221 gone, means Mill Hill will only have N113 and possibly 114N (that ran a NYE service prior as well) Wonder if the 412 will be 24 hours on New Years too. No, that's another victim. I was sad about that one gone as well. Leaves a large swathe of southern London extremities unserved, only N68 left
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Post by vjaska on Dec 29, 2017 16:23:22 GMT
Ask you local operators if you're unsure. I know we are running the 174 and 248 as 24 hour this year. Of course, passengers shouldn’t have to resort to asking drivers when TfL are meant to be publicising the information in the first place especially as then it’s the drivers who wrongly get it in the neck.
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 29, 2017 17:13:58 GMT
Absolute crime not to be detailing what ‘day’ routes will run throughout the night. Surely they know what is running with two nights to go, how hard is it to list them? Absolutely and heads really should roll over this, obviously they'll all be carrying little more than fresh air as nobody knows they are running. You really couldn't make it up! Well there are some veteran revellers who would go from memory as to what routes run all night for NYE. Some passengers at Stratford still ask for the 262 despite its last NYE operation being in 2011/12. As for your other point; it seems clear to me that TfL are deliberately shunting the bus network of basic things like information so as to discourage bus travel, to then justify cuts. None of the stops along Park Lane & Piccadilly are announced on the 6 despite it showing up on LVF and Countdown, and stops along the old hail & ride section on the 284 still don't register on LVF. All this London is Open talk, more like #LondonIsBroken to me!
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Post by sid on Dec 29, 2017 18:12:30 GMT
Wonder if the 412 will be 24 hours on New Years too. No, that's another victim. I was sad about that one gone as well. Leaves a large swathe of southern London extremities unserved, only N68 left I can't imagine a night service on the 412 carrying much more than fresh air, surely better to increase the 64 and N68 if necessary?
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Post by sid on Dec 29, 2017 18:20:08 GMT
Absolutely and heads really should roll over this, obviously they'll all be carrying little more than fresh air as nobody knows they are running. You really couldn't make it up! Well there are some veteran revellers who would go from memory as to what routes run all night for NYE. Some passengers at Stratford still ask for the 262 despite its last NYE operation being in 2011/12. As for your other point; it seems clear to me that TfL are deliberately shunting the bus network of basic things like information so as to discourage bus travel, to then justify cuts. None of the stops along Park Lane & Piccadilly are announced on the 6 despite it showing up on LVF and Countdown, and stops along the old hail & ride section on the 284 still don't register on LVF. All this London is Open talk, more like #LondonIsBroken to me! I very rarely go out NYE so it doesn't matter to me but to put on extra routes but keep them a secret sounds like a classic case of the right hand not knowing what the left one is doing!
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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2017 18:47:05 GMT
Absolutely and heads really should roll over this, obviously they'll all be carrying little more than fresh air as nobody knows they are running. You really couldn't make it up! Well there are some veteran revellers who would go from memory as to what routes run all night for NYE. Some passengers at Stratford still ask for the 262 despite its last NYE operation being in 2011/12. As for your other point; it seems clear to me that TfL are deliberately shunting the bus network of basic things like information so as to discourage bus travel, to then justify cuts. None of the stops along Park Lane & Piccadilly are announced on the 6 despite it showing up on LVF and Countdown, and stops along the old hail & ride section on the 284 still don't register on LVF. All this London is Open talk, more like #LondonIsBroken to me! It's what happens when you re-organise almost to the point of death in terms of resource levels and experience / skills. If you allow a load of people with years of knowledge to leave and then reprioritise things and then you move tasks into different directorates then the whole thing collapses around your ears. Assuming there is an ounce of motivation left in the organisation then the decent people who are left will try to reconstruct things but it will take anything up to 12-18 months to put new processes in place and get people trained up and comfortable with running them well at the required frequency. That is not failure on the part of the poor s*ds doing the work - it is the blasé and false assumptions dreamt up by consultations and senior management who believe a wave of their hands and a few platitudes fixes everything. Been through that experience so many times at LU / TfL that I'd lost count by the end. I say that as a senior manager at the end of my time with TfL. I doubt anyone at the top of TfL or in City Hall has a clue as to how things are falling apart. They'll just believe it's all wonderful if the main stats are going in broadly the right direction. The fact that people who pay fares and taxes are left with a worsening service that is shoddy at the edges doesn't matter.
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Post by COBO on Jan 26, 2018 21:12:25 GMT
How many years is a London Bus allowed to be in service in London?
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 26, 2018 21:19:16 GMT
How many years is a London Bus allowed to be in service in London? I’m not sure if there’s a set rule but on average most seem to last between 10 and 14 years.
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 26, 2018 22:35:42 GMT
How many years is a London Bus allowed to be in service in London? It's never going to be as long as the RT/RM families. As an 'outsider' I would presume that as long as it complies with all MOT type documentation,spares are readily available and it's economical to keep it going, who knows?
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Post by snoggle on Jan 26, 2018 23:47:56 GMT
How many years is a London Bus allowed to be in service in London? Your question is very widely defined so it's hard to answer. Clearly buses of widely varying ages are in regular service including RMs on TfL work. If you are referring to TfL contracted work then putting the RMs on the 15H to one side then the long accepted answer is 14/15 years (effectively 2 contract terms where the QI extension has been activated). Whether that is actually official policy I honestly don't know. The main thing that has driven vehicle replacement policy in London has actually been decisions about air quality / euro emissions standards. It is clear that remains the key aspect that is driving vehicle replacement alongside the usual churn of contract renewal but to new operators who need new vehicles. I agree with Snowman's analysis that vehicle replacement numbers will be pretty flat in the new few years compared to past spend. I actually got some info via FOI to TfL that supports Snowman's view. TfL estimate how much new capital investment is included in the bus contract spend per year. This is the money that would otherwise be spent on new buses by TfL but is, instead, spent by the operators to run the service. The numbers are set out below. These numbers are much reduced on those I obtained for the previous business plan - ranging between £40m and £120m lower depending on the year. These numbers ignore spend on NB4Ls which was completed in 2016/17. Year | Capital element £ms
| 2017/18
| 298
| 2018/19
| 298
| 2019/20
| 298
| 2020/21
| 305
| 2021/22
| 315
| 2022/23
| 328 |
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Post by COBO on Jan 27, 2018 0:29:47 GMT
How many years is a London Bus allowed to be in service in London? Your question is very widely defined so it's hard to answer. Clearly buses of widely varying ages are in regular service including RMs on TfL work. If you are referring to TfL contracted work then putting the RMs on the 15H to one side then the long accepted answer is 14/15 years (effectively 2 contract terms where the QI extension has been activated). Whether that is actually official policy I honestly don't know. The main thing that has driven vehicle replacement policy in London has actually been decisions about air quality / euro emissions standards. It is clear that remains the key aspect that is driving vehicle replacement alongside the usual churn of contract renewal but to new operators who need new vehicles. I agree with Snowman's analysis that vehicle replacement numbers will be pretty flat in the new few years compared to past spend. I actually got some info via FOI to TfL that supports Snowman's view. TfL estimate how much new capital investment is included in the bus contract spend per year. This is the money that would otherwise be spent on new buses by TfL but is, instead, spent by the operators to run the service. The numbers are set out below. These numbers are much reduced on those I obtained for the previous business plan - ranging between £40m and £120m lower depending on the year. These numbers ignore spend on NB4Ls which was completed in 2016/17. Year | Capital element £ms
| 2017/18
| 298
| 2018/19
| 298
| 2019/20
| 298
| 2020/21
| 305
| 2021/22
| 315
| 2022/23
| 328 |
Well what I was trying to ask is what is the age limit for TfL contract for a bus and you've answered my question so thanks.
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