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Post by rj131 on Apr 14, 2020 21:06:14 GMT
Why waste money on blinds when the old set is still getting the job done perfectly well? The refurb requirements for buses includes the cleaning of blind glasses and fitting of new blinds. Therefore, surprised that it wasn’t done at that point... Is that a TfL requirement that all buses get new blinds upon refurbishment, or just within RATP? I can think of quite a few routes’ allocations that haven’t been getting new blinds upon refurbishment. 237, 111 (only now getting changed with extra routes moving in), 109, 145 (the existing 11-reg E400 part) and 476 immediately spring to mind, but come to think of it these in all these cases the buses are starting a new contract on exactly the same route, essentially rolling over. So I wonder if blinds are allowed to not be changed in this case.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 15, 2020 0:37:32 GMT
The refurb requirements for buses includes the cleaning of blind glasses and fitting of new blinds. Therefore, surprised that it wasn’t done at that point... Is that a TfL requirement that all buses get new blinds upon refurbishment, or just within RATP? I can think of quite a few routes’ allocations that haven’t been getting new blinds upon refurbishment. 237, 111 (only now getting changed with extra routes moving in), 109, 145 (the existing 11-reg E400 part) and 476 immediately spring to mind, but come to think of it these in all these cases the buses are starting a new contract on exactly the same route, essentially rolling over. So I wonder if blinds are allowed to not be changed in this case. Some MMC's on the 109 have new blinds fitted with the capital lettered qualifers.
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Post by snowman on Apr 15, 2020 6:06:54 GMT
Is that a TfL requirement that all buses get new blinds upon refurbishment, or just within RATP? I can think of quite a few routes’ allocations that haven’t been getting new blinds upon refurbishment. 237, 111 (only now getting changed with extra routes moving in), 109, 145 (the existing 11-reg E400 part) and 476 immediately spring to mind, but come to think of it these in all these cases the buses are starting a new contract on exactly the same route, essentially rolling over. So I wonder if blinds are allowed to not be changed in this case. Some MMC's on the 109 have new blinds fitted with the capital lettered qualifers. TfL requires new format blinds for new contracts, but some blinds already compliant Refurbishment date sometimes varies a bit from contract start date In practice the order lead time for blinds probably determines when they can be fitted
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Post by rj131 on Apr 15, 2020 8:22:30 GMT
Is that a TfL requirement that all buses get new blinds upon refurbishment, or just within RATP? I can think of quite a few routes’ allocations that haven’t been getting new blinds upon refurbishment. 237, 111 (only now getting changed with extra routes moving in), 109, 145 (the existing 11-reg E400 part) and 476 immediately spring to mind, but come to think of it these in all these cases the buses are starting a new contract on exactly the same route, essentially rolling over. So I wonder if blinds are allowed to not be changed in this case. Some MMC's on the 109 have new blinds fitted with the capital lettered qualifers. Yes you’re definitely right, but because it seems to only be a select few buses, I wondered if the few that do have new blinds were just done because the old ones were worn out and needed doing. Rather than them being obligated. Perhaps it’s just a slow process and all will get done eventually
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 15, 2020 8:41:41 GMT
Some MMC's on the 109 have new blinds fitted with the capital lettered qualifers. Yes you’re definitely right, but because it seems to only be a select few buses, I wondered if the few that do have new blinds were just done because the old ones were worn out and needed doing. Rather than them being obligated. Perhaps it’s just a slow process and all will get done eventually Probably the least of all issues now, but will most blinds be the new LCD / LED type (as fitted to the C10's new buses) or can the traditional ones still be fitted? I assume there's not much production of either with this shutdown
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Post by busoccultation on Apr 20, 2020 12:10:43 GMT
36660 now repainted with new Stagecoach logos and the 167 branding is now removed.
Seen it on the 167 earlier today while on my way to Tesco to do bit of shopping.
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT
SE264 refurbished
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Post by YY13VKP on May 1, 2020 11:19:30 GMT
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Post by M1104 on May 5, 2020 8:34:15 GMT
Yes you’re definitely right, but because it seems to only be a select few buses, I wondered if the few that do have new blinds were just done because the old ones were worn out and needed doing. Rather than them being obligated. Perhaps it’s just a slow process and all will get done eventually Probably the least of all issues now, but will most blinds be the new LCD / LED type (as fitted to the C10's new buses) or can the traditional ones still be fitted? I assume there's not much production of either with this shutdown Regarding LCD/LED blinds, I'm surprised they're less of a priority as new bus specs than electric mirrors, the latter which to my knowledge were never trialled out within the capital. Would of though for example TA1 would have been built with the new tech mirrors beforehand.
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2020 9:07:09 GMT
Yes you’re definitely right, but because it seems to only be a select few buses, I wondered if the few that do have new blinds were just done because the old ones were worn out and needed doing. Rather than them being obligated. Perhaps it’s just a slow process and all will get done eventually Probably the least of all issues now, but will most blinds be the new LCD / LED type (as fitted to the C10's new buses) or can the traditional ones still be fitted? I assume there's not much production of either with this shutdown The Caetanos have LED displays as traditional roller blinds do not fit in the aperture. Metroline's Optare Solo SRs on the H2/H3 have the same issue.
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Post by M1104 on May 5, 2020 9:24:35 GMT
Probably the least of all issues now, but will most blinds be the new LCD / LED type (as fitted to the C10's new buses) or can the traditional ones still be fitted? I assume there's not much production of either with this shutdown The Caetanos have LED displays as traditional roller blinds do not fit in the aperture. Metroline's Optare Solo SRs on the H2/H3 have the same issue. True, though they are cases of having to be fitted rather than TfL's choice of specifying them over the electric motor variants.
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Post by ServerKing on May 5, 2020 12:13:20 GMT
The Caetanos have LED displays as traditional roller blinds do not fit in the aperture. Metroline's Optare Solo SRs on the H2/H3 have the same issue. True, though they are cases of having to be fitted rather than TfL's choice of specifying them over the electric motor variants. I would have thought switching to LED will end all the current issues associated with the smart blinds, ie changing blindset if bus moves garage, adding a new route, torn blinds etc... I understand with COVID-19, these are not serious issues, but Stagecoach seem to have coped well with the new tech on a handful of E400's. I would have mentioned TA1 with its LEDs, which is rarely seen as it's Vantage powered
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Post by M1104 on May 5, 2020 16:16:20 GMT
True, though they are cases of having to be fitted rather than TfL's choice of specifying them over the electric motor variants. I would have thought switching to LED will end all the current issues associated with the smart blinds, ie changing blindset if bus moves garage, adding a new route, torn blinds etc... I understand with COVID-19, these are not serious issues, but Stagecoach seem to have coped well with the new tech on a handful of E400's. I would have mentioned TA1 with its LEDs, which is rarely seen as it's Vantage powered This is what I'm saying, between that and the electric mirrors at least the former's had periodic trials where it's better known what the technology is like long-term. If money had to be utilised between the two schemes it should have ideally been for the LEDs.
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Post by ServerKing on May 5, 2020 18:00:34 GMT
I would have thought switching to LED will end all the current issues associated with the smart blinds, ie changing blindset if bus moves garage, adding a new route, torn blinds etc... I understand with COVID-19, these are not serious issues, but Stagecoach seem to have coped well with the new tech on a handful of E400's. I would have mentioned TA1 with its LEDs, which is rarely seen as it's Vantage powered This is what I'm saying, between that and the electric mirrors at least the former's had periodic trials where it's better known what the technology is like long-term. If money had to be utilised between the two two schemes it should have ideally been for the LEDs. The only benefit of mirrorless tech is customers won't be clapped upside the head if the bus pulls in too sharply to the stop... once happened to me and an Enfield DLA I would have thought it's more to go wrong. Even BMW and Aston Martin aren't putting such tech on production cars, even if concept cars at car shows feature such nonsense if the electrics for the cameras fail, it's more dangerous. If an LED blind fails, it's not the end of the world. I guess LED blinds can be quietly dropped amid the COVID-19 chaos. With money disappearing with all these free buses everywhere, it makes you wonder how TfL will manage. Enfield should be painting up a few more DWs for the 191, I can't remember when that is happening
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Post by HV64 on May 19, 2020 17:16:07 GMT
HV78 refurbed and back in service today at AD
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