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Post by LK65EBO on May 27, 2020 14:49:16 GMT
Who says Edgware aren't keen on VWs? Sounds like a case of bus spotter conspiracy unless you are a fitter or driver there and hear that view regularly. Anyway, they've already got plenty with more arriving for the 240 as confirmed. I mean considering I've heard drivers complaining about them, whatever chance EW seem to get they use older Euro IV TEs on the 292 instead, I often see VWs dumped at the back wall as well as VW1204/1205 having been shipped off to AH. Whilst it has been confirmed previously VWs were meant for the 240, doesn't mean this hasn't changed in the mean time. Only reason I bothered saying anything was because someone mentioned the 240 and I'd heard about the 210 getting the 271s TEHs, and gave the theory the 210s TEs may end up on the 240... Guess I won't bother saying any opinions on info I have seen in future then. As for the other posts about garages not being able to choose, yes I am well aware of that, I was merely making a statement. But it has been said that EW and W do not like Volvo products, and is not a myth. But of course yes, they'll have to get used to it, as Volvo is the main product in the Metroline fleet these days and like EW has had to get used to it with VMHs/VWs, W obviously will have to as well with the 139s VWHs. But I really don't think the 240 getting the 210s TEs instead of the 297s VWs is too far fetched. Imo VWs are much better than TEs.
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Post by TB123 on May 27, 2020 14:58:30 GMT
Who says Edgware aren't keen on VWs? Sounds like a case of bus spotter conspiracy unless you are a fitter or driver there and hear that view regularly. Anyway, they've already got plenty with more arriving for the 240 as confirmed. I mean considering I've heard drivers complaining about them, whatever chance EW seem to get they use older Euro IV TEs on the 292 instead, I often see VWs dumped at the back wall as well as VW1204/1205 having been shipped off to AH. Whilst it has been confirmed previously VWs were meant for the 240, doesn't mean this hasn't changed in the mean time. Only reason I bothered saying anything was because someone mentioned the 240 and I'd heard about the 210 getting the 271s TEHs, and gave the theory the 210s TEs may end up on the 240... Guess I won't bother saying any opinions on info I have seen in future then. As for the other posts about garages not being able to choose, yes I am well aware of that, I was merely making a statement. But it has been said that EW and W do not like Volvo products, and is not a myth. But of course yes, they'll have to get used to it, as Volvo is the main product in the Metroline fleet these days and like EW has had to get used to it with VMHs/VWs, W obviously will have to as well with the 139s VWHs. But I really don't think the 240 getting the 210s TEs instead of the 297s VWs is too far fetched. This nonsense about EW and W "not liking" Volvo is totally a myth hence why both garages operate Volvos, half of the fleet at EW is Volvo! There's no vendetta by individual garages against a manufacturer - many garages are jointly managed anyway, think EW shares a GGM with HD which is entirely Volvo. Honestly, I wonder where these mad conspiracies come from.
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Post by TB123 on May 27, 2020 14:59:39 GMT
Garages don't typically have choices so much in terms of fleet as fleet planning is done centrally at most bus operators. The 292 getting VWs and now the 139 getting VWHs seems to have busted the myth that EW and W prefer ADL. Remember the mad myth about hybrids being banned from the borough of Dartford on the 96? Another one that was laughable and total cads wallop.
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Post by LK65EBO on May 27, 2020 15:01:40 GMT
I mean considering I've heard drivers complaining about them, whatever chance EW seem to get they use older Euro IV TEs on the 292 instead, I often see VWs dumped at the back wall as well as VW1204/1205 having been shipped off to AH. Whilst it has been confirmed previously VWs were meant for the 240, doesn't mean this hasn't changed in the mean time. Only reason I bothered saying anything was because someone mentioned the 240 and I'd heard about the 210 getting the 271s TEHs, and gave the theory the 210s TEs may end up on the 240... Guess I won't bother saying any opinions on info I have seen in future then. As for the other posts about garages not being able to choose, yes I am well aware of that, I was merely making a statement. But it has been said that EW and W do not like Volvo products, and is not a myth. But of course yes, they'll have to get used to it, as Volvo is the main product in the Metroline fleet these days and like EW has had to get used to it with VMHs/VWs, W obviously will have to as well with the 139s VWHs. But I really don't think the 240 getting the 210s TEs instead of the 297s VWs is too far fetched. This nonsense about EW and W "not liking" Volvo is totally a myth hence why both garages operate Volvos, half of the fleet at EW is Volvo! There's no vendetta by individual garages against a manufacturer - many garages are jointly managed anyway, think EW shares a GGM with HD which is entirely Volvo. Honestly, I wonder where these mad conspiracies come from. Perhaps everyone keeps saying W is an "ADL garage" is because they have the only batch of E400MMCs in the Metroline fleet.
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Post by LK65EBO on May 27, 2020 15:05:24 GMT
I mean considering I've heard drivers complaining about them, whatever chance EW seem to get they use older Euro IV TEs on the 292 instead, I often see VWs dumped at the back wall as well as VW1204/1205 having been shipped off to AH. Whilst it has been confirmed previously VWs were meant for the 240, doesn't mean this hasn't changed in the mean time. Only reason I bothered saying anything was because someone mentioned the 240 and I'd heard about the 210 getting the 271s TEHs, and gave the theory the 210s TEs may end up on the 240... Guess I won't bother saying any opinions on info I have seen in future then. As for the other posts about garages not being able to choose, yes I am well aware of that, I was merely making a statement. But it has been said that EW and W do not like Volvo products, and is not a myth. But of course yes, they'll have to get used to it, as Volvo is the main product in the Metroline fleet these days and like EW has had to get used to it with VMHs/VWs, W obviously will have to as well with the 139s VWHs. But I really don't think the 240 getting the 210s TEs instead of the 297s VWs is too far fetched. This nonsense about EW and W "not liking" Volvo is totally a myth hence why both garages operate Volvos, half of the fleet at EW is Volvo! There's no vendetta by individual garages against a manufacturer - many garages are jointly managed anyway, think EW shares a GGM with HD which is entirely Volvo. Honestly, I wonder where these mad conspiracies come from. To be exact: 49 ADLs and 41 Volvos at EW.
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Post by TB123 on May 27, 2020 15:05:55 GMT
This nonsense about EW and W "not liking" Volvo is totally a myth hence why both garages operate Volvos, half of the fleet at EW is Volvo! There's no vendetta by individual garages against a manufacturer - many garages are jointly managed anyway, think EW shares a GGM with HD which is entirely Volvo. Honestly, I wonder where these mad conspiracies come from. Perhaps everyone keeps saying W is an "ADL garage" is because they have the only batch of E400MMCs in the Metroline fleet. I think it's because they've got a lot of ADL products. But I strongly doubt that's because of a dislike of Volvo by the garage team. Just how things worked out based on fleet simplification and contracts etc.
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Post by LK65EBO on May 27, 2020 15:10:09 GMT
Perhaps everyone keeps saying W is an "ADL garage" is because they have the only batch of E400MMCs in the Metroline fleet. I think it's because they've got a lot of ADL products. But I strongly doubt that's because of a dislike of Volvo by the garage team. Just how things worked out based on fleet simplification and contracts etc. Usually Volvo products generally have a good reputation. Drivers at HH love the VHs.
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Post by TB123 on May 27, 2020 15:17:21 GMT
I think it's because they've got a lot of ADL products. But I strongly doubt that's because of a dislike of Volvo by the garage team. Just how things worked out based on fleet simplification and contracts etc. Usually Volvo products generally have a good reputation. Drivers at HH love the VHs. The newer ones aren't as good I don't think but generally yes the Volvos are quite good motors. The old PVLs were adored by the drivers at London General.
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Post by foxhat on May 27, 2020 16:34:30 GMT
Recent fleet transfers: TE 829 W → HZw TEH 919 W → HZw TE 1083, 1084, 1085, 1086, 1087, 1088 W → PB
TE 929, 940, 942, 943, 946, 947 PB → HZw
VWH 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023 HT → W VWH 2021 PV → W VWH 2035, 2039 CE → W
VWH 2044 CE → AC VWH 2311 AC → HT
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Post by jenkinsbuses on May 27, 2020 19:31:12 GMT
Recent fleet transfers: TE 829 W → HZw TEH 919 W → HZw TE 1083, 1084, 1085, 1086, 1087, 1088 W → PB
TE 929, 940, 942, 943, 946, 947 PB → HZw
VWH 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023 HT → W VWH 2021 PV → W VWH 2035, 2039 CE → W VWH 2044 CE → AC VWH 2311 AC → HT Those TEs that went to HZ must have been the ones i saw earlier by the Stockley road going onto shepiston lane
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Post by george on May 27, 2020 21:52:40 GMT
What a shame that the 45 doesn’t go to Kings Cross anymore because Metroline could have also gotten that route. I doubt Metroline could really beat a bid from Go-Ahead or Abellio personally - the last tender in 2017 had just two bidders compared to 4 in 2003 & 3 in 2010 which shows even Arriva didn't bid that time given its almost they did on the two previous occasions. Just out of interest how do you know the second bidder wasn't Arriva?
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Post by vjaska on May 27, 2020 21:57:08 GMT
I doubt Metroline could really beat a bid from Go-Ahead or Abellio personally - the last tender in 2017 had just two bidders compared to 4 in 2003 & 3 in 2010 which shows even Arriva didn't bid that time given its almost they did on the two previous occasions. Just out of interest how do you know the second bidder wasn't Arriva? Because I cannot see a situation where the incumbent which was Go-Ahead wouldn’t of bidded to retain it.
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Post by george on May 27, 2020 21:59:25 GMT
Just out of interest how do you know the second bidder wasn't Arriva? Because I cannot see a situation where the incumbent which was Go-Ahead wouldn’t of bidded to retain it. Sorry think I misread your post I thought you was saying that last time the second bidder must have been Abellio rather than Arriva.
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Post by vjaska on May 27, 2020 22:21:05 GMT
Because I cannot see a situation where the incumbent which was Go-Ahead wouldn’t of bidded to retain it. Sorry think I misread your post I thought you was saying that last time the second bidder must have been Abellio rather than Arriva. Oh I see - I think Arriva bidded in 2003 & 2010 for sure but not in 2017 if that clears things up. The one I’m unsure on is who the 4th bidder was in 2003 - certainly London Central, Arriva & Connex were the other three but maybe Metroline or a new operator bidded for it?
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Post by ADH45258 on May 27, 2020 23:15:15 GMT
The 240s allocation could always be made up of the VWs not allocated to the 297 + VWHs that are currently spare go to HT to release VWs from the W7 to the 240. Or simply instead of complex moves involving the W7, simply use the 10 spare VMHs that won't be allocated to the 31 or 90 on the 297, allowing 10 VWs to go to the 240. Tbh I hope it doesn't end up being VWs as those 11 reg are not the best, the 12/62/13 reg VWs are way better. Hopefully if the 210 does convert to TEH, the 10 60 regs go to EW for the 240. I could also see them trying to replace the VWs on the 292, as EW aren't keen on the VWs seemingly. In theory the 204 could convert to VWs from the 297 instead, with the remaining 10 60 reg from there (1095-1104) going to EW for the 292, then the 292s VWs can head off to ON as well to replace the remaining TEs at ON to elsewhere. Either way will be interesting to see what their plan is. I think the best reshuffle would have been to allocate the 204 VWs when it moved to ON, just as the 186 was allocated VWs when it moved to HD. This would have given a common fleet of VWs at ON, while releasing TEs to routes such as the 240.
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