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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:17:53 GMT
Well, don't leave us on tenterhooks. How bad has it been? BTW, if many of the comments made about LTs poor manoeuvrability are anything to go by, I would worry about E's current bus of choice coping with standing arrangements at either end of the 307. The 307s performance looks pretty good so wouldn’t agree that it’s as bad as people are making out. bus.data.tfl.gov.uk/boroughreports/routes/performance-route-307.pdfI'm not worried about the reliability, I'm worried about the buses themselves. Again this brings it back to my original point. Poorly conditioned buses. No offence to barrypotter I think the route would be so much better off back at Arriva.
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Post by COBO on Jan 29, 2022 9:18:01 GMT
Exactly and the 92 seems like a decent place for them or the 186. The buses both routes have right now are still in good condition. Plus they could get electrics or change operator. Yeah but they are 10 years old and diesel. The 92, 186 and 297 can get retained by Metroline for a cheap bid using existing hybrids and there 10 year old TEs and VWs can be used to oust out the older stock at PB. If Metroline retains them with new electrics or loses them then we can talk about diverting the VWHs to the 263 and the U4.
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Post by VWH1413 on Jan 29, 2022 9:20:43 GMT
On the subject of keeping with (PB), I regret to say TE933 and TE934 are now marked as withdrawn on LVF. TE936 has not been used since 18-01-2022.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 29, 2022 9:23:03 GMT
So the 4 day routes at PA will land up a different garages: 31 at WJ, 90 at AH, 120 at SG and 297 at PV. I wonder whether the same vehicles will be retained in each case or whether any reshuffles of VMH and VWH types will occur. I’m quite intrigued about the 90 moving to AH. It obviously fills a hole there but ignores the fact that G is closer. Remote sign on ? 31 to WJ makes perfect sense and safeguards it for when that shed loses the 226 & 295. Yes AH does seem quite remote from route 90. In a way I'd have preferred routes 31 & N31 to go to PV and route 297 to WJ. This would still have provided PV with the same night work but kept route allocations simpler. WJ is not far from route 297.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:26:36 GMT
On the subject of keeping with (PB), I regret to say TE933 and TE934 are now marked as withdrawn on LVF. TE936 has not been used since 18-01-2022. Already knew and I'm glad. TE1093 and TE1094 have been withdrawn as well. TE933/934 have been replaced by TE1981/1982. Hopefully TE936 is withdrawn as well.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 29, 2022 9:26:39 GMT
When the new Alperton base opens, I wonder whether PV could be mothballed? It did close for a few years from 2012. I was even in the area the day it closed (23.6.12) so route 79 on its first day at PA.
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Post by COBO on Jan 29, 2022 9:29:07 GMT
When the new Alperton base opens, I wonder whether PV could be mothballed? It did close for a few years from 2012. I was even in the area the day it closed (23.6.12) so route 79 on its first day at PA. Unless the new Alperton garage is going to have hydrogen charging facilities for WHDs I can’t see PV being mothballed.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 9:29:13 GMT
I find that comment quote insulting when he is a Potters Bar employee so pretty much slating their routes & garage to me is nasty especially right in front of them. Also what’s the issue with the current TE9s. The only person on this forum who has kicked up a fuss about them is you. I agree they are getting old but as someone who regularly uses and sees the 263 you are totally overdramatising it. I imagine these will be replaced if cascades come in, ie perhaps when the 204s contract ends so potentially we could end up with slightly newer TEs (perhaps TE1096-1104 move to the 204, 1073/1095/1423 to PB & 12 reg TEs to the 210 to replace TE992/1573-1575). All speculation on my final statement though. Also the ex First VWs are in a far worse condition than the 58 regs, where all the comments about those? This is coming from someone who uses them on PB routes & W7. Yes the ex First VWs are in terrible condition and should go as well, but what difference would using the ex 204s make? They're also non-retainable and some of the TE1000s have been withdrawn as well. I don't like the fact that you got TE900s still running on the same route for well over a decade running into Islington where all other routes have been upgraded. Some have been upgraded more than once with the 263 staying the same. I see no excuse for these buses still running to this day especially now with multiple PVR cuts take place and loads of young stocks becoming available. I don’t think you understand how tendering works, buses are usually retained on the idea that it’s stock will run until the end of the next contract. The 263s started in 2018 using compliant TEs (58 ones). There is no issue with those being used when the 476 only down the road is using 59 WVNs. As for the TE1000s, my idea was they could see off the contract. Perhaps you could transfer in TE1073/1095/1423 to replace older TEs, and if the 92 was retained with newer hybrids you could even move in some more of its TEs (which are in a great condition) to then see off the 263 until June 2023. The exact reason why no decision has been made on the 263 is because it’s stock is owned unlike the 83/483s.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 9:30:55 GMT
On the subject of keeping with (PB), I regret to say TE933 and TE934 are now marked as withdrawn on LVF. TE936 has not been used since 18-01-2022. Already knew and I'm glad. TE1093 and TE1094 have been withdrawn as well. TE933/934 have been replaced by TE1981/1982. Hopefully TE936 is withdrawn as well. TE1093-1094 were withdrawn because ComfortDelgro subsidiary New Adventure Travel wanted 2 Euro 6 examples of Enviros I heard but am happy to be corrected. I thought TE941 would be withdrawn however it came back into service & I imagine the same with 936 as no official replacements have come in.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 9:31:52 GMT
I'm not worried about the reliability, I'm worried about the buses themselves. Again this brings it back to my original point. Poorly conditioned buses. No offence to barrypotter I think the route would be so much better off back at Arriva.PBs buses are in a great condition for their age from what I see.
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Post by dashing0ne on Jan 29, 2022 9:35:15 GMT
I’m very concerned about the 237. AV have a 237-sized hole appearing from April 30th. Metroline have to be competitive here, this is a vital tender result. I think that AV might nab the E2, E5 and E8 when they're up for tender, there's space, Metroline hasn't been particularly competitive and the E1 result shows AV are interested in the area. Or AV regains the 120, 222, I would have also said the 81 but its new contract is most likely going to commence in 2026.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:36:17 GMT
Yes the ex First VWs are in terrible condition and should go as well, but what difference would using the ex 204s make? They're also non-retainable and some of the TE1000s have been withdrawn as well. I don't like the fact that you got TE900s still running on the same route for well over a decade running into Islington where all other routes have been upgraded. Some have been upgraded more than once with the 263 staying the same. I see no excuse for these buses still running to this day especially now with multiple PVR cuts take place and loads of young stocks becoming available. I don’t think you understand how tendering works, buses are usually retained on the idea that it’s stock will run until the end of the next contract. The 263s started in 2018 using compliant TEs (58 ones). There is no issue with those being used when the 476 only down the road is using 59 WVNs. As for the TE1000s, my idea was they could see off the contract. Perhaps you could transfer in TE1073/1095/1423 to replace older TEs, and if the 92 was retained with newer hybrids you could even move in some more of its TEs (which are in a great condition) to then see off the 263 until June 2023. The exact reason why no decision has been made on the 263 is because it’s stock is owned unlike the 83/483s. 2016 actually and I do know how tendering works. I'm just tired of them old TEs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:37:28 GMT
I'm not worried about the reliability, I'm worried about the buses themselves. Again this brings it back to my original point. Poorly conditioned buses. No offence to barrypotter I think the route would be so much better off back at Arriva.PBs buses are in a great condition for their age from what I see.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 29, 2022 9:39:37 GMT
I don’t think you understand how tendering works, buses are usually retained on the idea that it’s stock will run until the end of the next contract. The 263s started in 2018 using compliant TEs (58 ones). There is no issue with those being used when the 476 only down the road is using 59 WVNs. As for the TE1000s, my idea was they could see off the contract. Perhaps you could transfer in TE1073/1095/1423 to replace older TEs, and if the 92 was retained with newer hybrids you could even move in some more of its TEs (which are in a great condition) to then see off the 263 until June 2023. The exact reason why no decision has been made on the 263 is because it’s stock is owned unlike the 83/483s. 2016 actually and I do know how tendering works. I'm just tired of them old TEs. Got it confused with something else, my apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:41:50 GMT
Already knew and I'm glad. TE1093 and TE1094 have been withdrawn as well. TE933/934 have been replaced by TE1981/1982. Hopefully TE936 is withdrawn as well. TE1093-1094 were withdrawn because ComfortDelgro subsidiary New Adventure Travel wanted 2 Euro 6 examples of Enviros I heard but am happy to be corrected. I thought TE941 would be withdrawn however it came back into service & I imagine the same with 936 as no official replacements have come in. Btw what is with Metroline sending off old stock only to bring them back. DE870 was off road for months for no reason and just came back into service. I thought that was withdrawn. They done the same thing with some of the TE900s. LVF said TE9xx was withdrawn but then it came back. That gets me annoyed as well. I also remember when VW1397 was off road and was used as a meal relief bus at North Finchley. Don't get why they didn't just use another bus.
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