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Post by TB123 on Sept 4, 2022 9:51:22 GMT
You could send the 112 to G So it common fleet with the DEs on the 95 and E6. The 112 uses DELs, so moving it to WJ would give a common fleet with the H17 What does that matter when it would likely be much more expensive to operate the route from there
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Post by greenboy on Sept 4, 2022 9:59:42 GMT
Unlikely that the 113 will move to W. It's also unlikely that the 316 will move to WJ. It's likely to be either 112 or 328, but I don't think sending the 112 to WJ is the best option as its operationally better run from W, but I haven't heard anything yet but it's certainly interesting times ahead. How close to full capacity is EW right now? The 32/240 have a combined PVR of 25, but the 142/251/642 are 31 in total, so would this be enough once electrification reduces space slightly? I think EW is pretty much full, could possibly move the 107 to PB?
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 4, 2022 11:26:24 GMT
The 112 uses DELs, so moving it to WJ would give a common fleet with the H17 What does that matter when it would likely be much more expensive to operate the route from there Other options such as the 316 or 328 would likely be much cheaper staying at W too. Whatever this reshuffle invovles, I do wonder if might have been easier to just allocate the new routes directly to garages with space? The 251 could easily be run from PB, and the 142 from W.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 4, 2022 11:27:46 GMT
Interesting to see what moves from EW to W and from W to WJ - I'd take a punt at the 32 and maybe 240 and then the 328 to WJ The 113 might also be a possibility to move to W - close to the line of route at Childs Hill, and within reach of both Edgware and Marble Arch. Assuming the 32 definitely goes to W, roughly creating enough space for the 142 - the 240 only has a PVR of 8, which might not be enough to fit the 251 as well - especially considering that electrification may reduce capacity. Not sure the 328 would be the best route to send to WJ. My guess would be either the 112 or 316 - with WJ being close to Stonebridge Park and White City. The 112 might be the best option of those two, as the 316 is up for tender soon and might be easier to retain from W. I agree that route 113 would be a good candidate for W, especially if it is diverted to White City. I believe that route 112 is indeed a likely candidate for reallocation to WJ. WJ is also mid-route and, like you say, not far from Stonebridge Park.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 4, 2022 11:29:32 GMT
The 113 might also be a possibility to move to W - close to the line of route at Childs Hill, and within reach of both Edgware and Marble Arch. Assuming the 32 definitely goes to W, roughly creating enough space for the 142 - the 240 only has a PVR of 8, which might not be enough to fit the 251 as well - especially considering that electrification may reduce capacity. Not sure the 328 would be the best route to send to WJ. My guess would be either the 112 or 316 - with WJ being close to Stonebridge Park and White City. The 112 might be the best option of those two, as the 316 is up for tender soon and might be easier to retain from W. You could send the 112 to G So it common fleet with the DEs on the 95 and E6. Except that route 112 is mainly DEL, using examples built for route 393.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 4, 2022 11:32:38 GMT
I'm going to say: 32 EW > W, 240 EW > W, 332 W > WJ Reasoning: 32 passes W, Golders Green is close to W and both termini of route 332 are close to WJ. I disagree with the 332. It may be close but I think it's best that it remains at W. I also believe it will remain at W, mainly to keep all the LTs in the area under 1 roof there. Route 189 would likewise remain there. Route 32 could even be converted to LT later using examples from route 168.
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Post by transportizm on Sept 4, 2022 11:40:20 GMT
When will the garage transfers be decided
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Metroline
Sept 4, 2022 14:27:25 GMT
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2022 14:27:25 GMT
You could send the 112 to G So it common fleet with the DEs on the 95 and E6. Except that route 112 is mainly DEL, using examples built for route 393. It also uses 14 reg DELs.
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Sept 4, 2022 14:37:12 GMT
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2022 14:37:12 GMT
You could send the 112 to G So it common fleet with the DEs on the 95 and E6. The 112 uses DELs, so moving it to WJ would give a common fleet with the H17 WJ is also good. But the why I suggest G or WJ is because that the 112 can only use single deckers and if the 112 is at WJ and G is so it can use single decks from other routes whereas if it was at PV it would be the only route that uses single deck and if there’s a single decker shortage there be double deckers around because the other routes at PV uses double deckers whereas if it was operated from G or WJ it could use the single deckers from the other routes or you could put double deckers on the 487 or 95 you can provide the 112 with single deckers just in case shortage arises.
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Sept 4, 2022 15:14:17 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 4, 2022 15:14:17 GMT
Except that route 112 is mainly DEL, using examples built for route 393. It also uses 14 reg DELs. 64 reg
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2022 15:34:55 GMT
It also uses 14 reg DELs. 64 reg thanks for the correction.
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Sept 4, 2022 17:23:02 GMT
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Post by abellion on Sept 4, 2022 17:23:02 GMT
The 112 uses DELs, so moving it to WJ would give a common fleet with the H17 WJ is also good. But the why I suggest G or WJ is because that the 112 can only use single deckers and if the 112 is at WJ and G is so it can use single decks from other routes whereas if it was at PV it would be the only route that uses single deck and if there’s a single decker shortage there be double deckers around because the other routes at PV uses double deckers whereas if it was operated from G or WJ it could use the single deckers from the other routes or you could put double deckers on the 487 or 95 you can provide the 112 with single deckers just in case shortage arises. The 112 has used plenty of deckers in the past, if there is a situation where only deckers are free surely they can be used?
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Post by rj131 on Sept 4, 2022 17:27:35 GMT
WJ is also good. But the why I suggest G or WJ is because that the 112 can only use single deckers and if the 112 is at WJ and G is so it can use single decks from other routes whereas if it was at PV it would be the only route that uses single deck and if there’s a single decker shortage there be double deckers around because the other routes at PV uses double deckers whereas if it was operated from G or WJ it could use the single deckers from the other routes or you could put double deckers on the 487 or 95 you can provide the 112 with single deckers just in case shortage arises. The 112 has used plenty of deckers in the past, if there is a situation where only deckers are free surely they can be used? Its had a recent reroute hasn’t it? Don’t think it’s a problem for the North Ficnchley extension but I think it’s been rerouted down a road in Ealing (Madingley Road or something like that) which has nimby residents objecting to deckers.
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Post by abellion on Sept 4, 2022 17:30:36 GMT
The 112 has used plenty of deckers in the past, if there is a situation where only deckers are free surely they can be used? Its had a recent reroute hasn’t it? Don’t think it’s a problem for the North Ficnchley extension but I think it’s been rerouted down a road in Ealing (Madingley Road or something like that) which has nimby residents objecting to deckers. Oh, I didn’t know Madeley Road had resident objections. Shame that the 112 cant be fully decked then unless it diverts via the 483.
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2022 17:37:42 GMT
WJ is also good. But the why I suggest G or WJ is because that the 112 can only use single deckers and if the 112 is at WJ and G is so it can use single decks from other routes whereas if it was at PV it would be the only route that uses single deck and if there’s a single decker shortage there be double deckers around because the other routes at PV uses double deckers whereas if it was operated from G or WJ it could use the single deckers from the other routes or you could put double deckers on the 487 or 95 you can provide the 112 with single deckers just in case shortage arises. The 112 has used plenty of deckers in the past, if there is a situation where only deckers are free surely they can be used? 112 can't use double deckers because of the rerouting via Madeley Road. It's because rerouting double deckers are banned from the route. Yes double deckers where used frequently on the route but that was before the rerouting.
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