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Sept 4, 2022 4:59:57 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 4, 2022 4:59:57 GMT
Has it been suggested yet what vehicles the 384 will use for the new contract? I think it's the only TBC award that hasn't been clarified yet, and all other examples are getting new electrics. Perhaps some new Metrocities might be ordered, similar to the one used on the PB1? Or are the 62reg DEMs new enough for another contract? I think it will get new electrics. Or the DEMs could still do a couple of years then the electrics come in mid-contract
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Sept 4, 2022 6:26:43 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 4, 2022 6:26:43 GMT
Interesting to see what moves from EW to W and from W to WJ - I'd take a punt at the 32 and maybe 240 and then the 328 to WJ If W were in the need to make space, I could also see the 189 moving to WJ (assuming Camden Town proposal takes place) to also prepare early in place of 31 in same garage.
Is there much difference in mileage saved if 328 moves to WJ in comparison to it's current home at W I wonder? Esp as the route passes X, an crucial point if ML wants to keep the route next tender. 189 is unlikely to move to WJ.
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Sept 4, 2022 6:29:52 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 4, 2022 6:29:52 GMT
Has it been suggested yet what vehicles the 384 will use for the new contract? I think it's the only TBC award that hasn't been clarified yet, and all other examples are getting new electrics. Perhaps some new Metrocities might be ordered, similar to the one used on the PB1? Or are the 62reg DEMs new enough for another contract? The DEMs will not be new for another contract. 384s buses will be new.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Sept 4, 2022 6:36:03 GMT
Has it been suggested yet what vehicles the 384 will use for the new contract? I think it's the only TBC award that hasn't been clarified yet, and all other examples are getting new electrics. Perhaps some new Metrocities might be ordered, similar to the one used on the PB1? Or are the 62reg DEMs new enough for another contract? The DEMs will not be new for another contract. 384s buses will be new. Makes sense. The remaining 62reg DEM's can be used on the extended 234, and the 61regs disposed of.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 4, 2022 6:38:24 GMT
Interesting to see what moves from EW to W and from W to WJ - I'd take a punt at the 32 and maybe 240 and then the 328 to WJ The 113 might also be a possibility to move to W - close to the line of route at Childs Hill, and within reach of both Edgware and Marble Arch. Assuming the 32 definitely goes to W, roughly creating enough space for the 142 - the 240 only has a PVR of 8, which might not be enough to fit the 251 as well - especially considering that electrification may reduce capacity. Not sure the 328 would be the best route to send to WJ. My guess would be either the 112 or 316 - with WJ being close to Stonebridge Park and White City. The 112 might be the best option of those two, as the 316 is up for tender soon and might be easier to retain from W. Unlikely that the 113 will move to W. It's also unlikely that the 316 will move to WJ. It's likely to be either 112 or 328, but I don't think sending the 112 to WJ is the best option as its operationally better run from W, but I haven't heard anything yet but it's certainly interesting times ahead.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Sept 4, 2022 6:51:58 GMT
Interesting to see what moves from EW to W and from W to WJ - I'd take a punt at the 32 and maybe 240 and then the 328 to WJ The 113 might also be a possibility to move to W - close to the line of route at Childs Hill, and within reach of both Edgware and Marble Arch. Assuming the 32 definitely goes to W, roughly creating enough space for the 142 - the 240 only has a PVR of 8, which might not be enough to fit the 251 as well - especially considering that electrification may reduce capacity. Not sure the 328 would be the best route to send to WJ. My guess would be either the 112 or 316 - with WJ being close to Stonebridge Park and White City. The 112 might be the best option of those two, as the 316 is up for tender soon and might be easier to retain from W. 32 to W for me makes sense (W's buses are already blinded for it), with 143 or C11 going to HT instead of something going to WJ.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Sept 4, 2022 6:55:10 GMT
Are any other routes planned to move to Athlon Road, e.g. 297? I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure it’ll stay at PV even though it’ll get electrics (been told 297 is going electric by a Metroline official). 7 and 245 will have to stay at PV because of their hydrogen buses. 187 & 487 will stay at WJ and H17 will go to WJ along with another route from Cricklewood to make room for two routes coming out of Edgware. As of now all that I’m aware of is 83 to end up at Athlon Road. Would make sense if it was an electric garage. I'm going to say: 32 EW > W, 240 EW > W, 332 W > WJ Reasoning: 32 passes W, Golders Green is close to W and both termini of route 332 are close to WJ.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Sept 4, 2022 6:56:31 GMT
The 113 might also be a possibility to move to W - close to the line of route at Childs Hill, and within reach of both Edgware and Marble Arch. Assuming the 32 definitely goes to W, roughly creating enough space for the 142 - the 240 only has a PVR of 8, which might not be enough to fit the 251 as well - especially considering that electrification may reduce capacity. Not sure the 328 would be the best route to send to WJ. My guess would be either the 112 or 316 - with WJ being close to Stonebridge Park and White City. The 112 might be the best option of those two, as the 316 is up for tender soon and might be easier to retain from W. 32 to W for me makes sense (W's buses are already blinded for it), with 143 or C11 going to HT instead of something going to WJ. Could well happen. However the 91 doesn't leave until a couple weeks after the 142 arrives; could we maybe see the 91 depart early to facilitate this? It would also mean route 142 can use existing hybrids.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Sept 4, 2022 7:29:19 GMT
I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure it’ll stay at PV even though it’ll get electrics (been told 297 is going electric by a Metroline official). 7 and 245 will have to stay at PV because of their hydrogen buses. 187 & 487 will stay at WJ and H17 will go to WJ along with another route from Cricklewood to make room for two routes coming out of Edgware. As of now all that I’m aware of is 83 to end up at Athlon Road. Would make sense if it was an electric garage. I'm going to say: 32 EW > W, 240 EW > W, 332 W > WJ Reasoning: 32 passes W, Golders Green is close to W and both termini of route 332 are close to WJ. I disagree with the 332. It may be close but I think it's best that it remains at W.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Sept 4, 2022 7:44:17 GMT
32 to W for me makes sense (W's buses are already blinded for it), with 143 or C11 going to HT instead of something going to WJ. Could well happen. However the 91 doesn't leave until a couple weeks after the 142 arrives; could we maybe see the 91 depart early to facilitate this? It would also mean route 142 can use existing hybrids. Isn't 142 confirmed new?
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Post by transportizm on Sept 4, 2022 8:42:58 GMT
I'm going to say: 32 EW > W, 240 EW > W, 332 W > WJ Reasoning: 32 passes W, Golders Green is close to W and both termini of route 332 are close to WJ. I disagree with the 332. It may be close but I think it's best that it remains at W. I think the 328 might move to WJ because it is only around 15 mins to Golders Green and around 20 mins to Chelsea.
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Post by busoccultation on Sept 4, 2022 9:25:23 GMT
32 to W for me makes sense (W's buses are already blinded for it), with 143 or C11 going to HT instead of something going to WJ. Could well happen. However the 91 doesn't leave until a couple weeks after the 142 arrives; could we maybe see the 91 depart early to facilitate this? It would also mean route 142 can use existing hybrids. For the 142 there are a couple of options there should it need to use existing buses to start off with such as the 295 VWH's, existing diesels on the 204 or 307 staying a bit longer or using new BDE's for the 204 on the 142 until its new own buses arrive.
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Post by VWH1413 on Sept 4, 2022 9:32:37 GMT
If W were in the need to make space, I could also see the 189 moving to WJ (assuming Camden Town proposal takes place) to also prepare early in place of 31 in same garage.
Is there much difference in mileage saved if 328 moves to WJ in comparison to it's current home at W I wonder? Esp as the route passes X, an crucial point if ML wants to keep the route next tender. 189 is unlikely to move to WJ. I take back what I said last night. As 189 wouldn't by anywhere near White City, not the best choice. Does seem like moving 328 more feasible than I thought and maybe 112 (as you said operated at W ). I say this very lightly though, as both feel a lot safer/better at W.
I guess moving stuff from W > WJ is always the one to take lightly in first place, in comparison to moving from EW > W.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 4, 2022 9:42:05 GMT
The 113 might also be a possibility to move to W - close to the line of route at Childs Hill, and within reach of both Edgware and Marble Arch. Assuming the 32 definitely goes to W, roughly creating enough space for the 142 - the 240 only has a PVR of 8, which might not be enough to fit the 251 as well - especially considering that electrification may reduce capacity. Not sure the 328 would be the best route to send to WJ. My guess would be either the 112 or 316 - with WJ being close to Stonebridge Park and White City. The 112 might be the best option of those two, as the 316 is up for tender soon and might be easier to retain from W. You could send the 112 to G So it common fleet with the DEs on the 95 and E6. The 112 uses DELs, so moving it to WJ would give a common fleet with the H17
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Sept 4, 2022 9:48:56 GMT
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 4, 2022 9:48:56 GMT
The 113 might also be a possibility to move to W - close to the line of route at Childs Hill, and within reach of both Edgware and Marble Arch. Assuming the 32 definitely goes to W, roughly creating enough space for the 142 - the 240 only has a PVR of 8, which might not be enough to fit the 251 as well - especially considering that electrification may reduce capacity. Not sure the 328 would be the best route to send to WJ. My guess would be either the 112 or 316 - with WJ being close to Stonebridge Park and White City. The 112 might be the best option of those two, as the 316 is up for tender soon and might be easier to retain from W. Unlikely that the 113 will move to W. It's also unlikely that the 316 will move to WJ. It's likely to be either 112 or 328, but I don't think sending the 112 to WJ is the best option as its operationally better run from W, but I haven't heard anything yet but it's certainly interesting times ahead. How close to full capacity is EW right now? The 32/240 have a combined PVR of 25, but the 142/251/642 are 31 in total, so would this be enough once electrification reduces space slightly?
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