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Post by adl on Aug 12, 2024 10:26:03 GMT
Kites and Electroliners are different types. People are confusing Wrightbus’ terminology here. Wrightbus’ electric range is known as the Electroliner and has two different products: the GB Kite Electroliner and the StreetDeck Electroliner. Electroliner refers to both products but a lot of people only use it to refer to the StreetDeck product. Similarly, they have the GB Kite Hydroliner and the StreetDeck Hydroliner. Either way that’s 2 types: ‘GB Kite Electroliner’ ’StreetDeck Electroliner’ |
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 11:31:47 GMT
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Post by Dad91 on Aug 12, 2024 11:31:47 GMT
Didn't E2 and E8 buses been ordered long time ago
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 11:43:12 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 12, 2024 11:43:12 GMT
Couldn't the 153 get BELs to share a common pool with the 46? It is down to the operator what they purchase not what Enthusiasts think. My suggestion isn't what I want the 153 to get. A bus is a bus to me; as long as it turns up on time and it's clean |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 12, 2024 11:45:52 GMT
It is down to the operator what they purchase not what Enthusiasts think. My suggestion isn't what I want the 153 to get. A bus is a bus to me; as long as it turns up on time and it's clean You just contradicted what you said… If that’s the case why even say what you said in the first place |
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 12, 2024 11:48:30 GMT
My suggestion isn't what I want the 153 to get. A bus is a bus to me; as long as it turns up on time and it's clean You just contradicted what you said… If that’s the case why even say what you said in the first place I didn't contradict myself. I was saying that could Metroline order BELs not I want Metroline to order BELs |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 12, 2024 11:51:16 GMT
Is rubbish that TfL is decreasing frequency on one on the most frequent routes that come every 3 minutes. W7 going down from 17 to 11. I don't know why they want to do this. I suspect much of the saving is coming from the removal of garage journeys between Muswell Hill and HT garage. In addition, the off-peak and early morning frequency is being increased as well as earlier journeys on weekends. This seems fairly sensible to me as travel patterns have evolved since Covid and there's tended to be a 'spreadout' of commuter trips in the new WFH/hybrid era. Controversially, I think the 358s ieTrams or the displaced Red Arrow SEes should have been put to use on the W7 - big single decks (or bendies better still) I feel would possibly work well on that route. LTs in the open boarding era would have also been quite good if they could fit (do they?)... but oh well, I don't see open boarding coming back anytime soon (or maybe it will with the Thamesmead BRT?) |
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 11:52:57 GMT
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Post by VWH1419 on Aug 12, 2024 11:52:57 GMT
As mentioned on LOTS Metroline has ordered 108 new buses (of 3 types) for routes 4, 90, 98, 153, E2 and E8. It has also allocated fleet numbers to the 102 buses that are already on order, taking the number series up to 3030. Full details will be in TLB720. My prediction: BDEs for the 4 BELs for the 153 WDEs for the 90. 98 and E2/E8 Can predict this happening as well, to share an common pool engineering wise across garages. |
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 11:54:14 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2024 11:54:14 GMT
Is rubbish that TfL is decreasing frequency on one on the most frequent routes that come every 3 minutes. W7 going down from 17 to 11. I don't know why they want to do this. I suspect much of the saving is coming from the removal of garage journeys between Muswell Hill and HT garage. In addition, the off-peak and early morning frequency is being increased as well as earlier journeys on weekends. This seems fairly sensible to me as travel patterns have evolved since Covid and there's tended to be a 'spreadout' of commuter trips in the new WFH/hybrid era. Controversially, I think the 358s ieTrams or the displaced Red Arrow SEes should have been put to use on the W7 - big single decks (or bendies better still) I feel would possibly work well on that route. Agree that Artics suit such a route just like the 507 & 521. Beyond that though, their use would still be extremely limited in London |
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 12:09:21 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 12, 2024 12:09:21 GMT
I suspect much of the saving is coming from the removal of garage journeys between Muswell Hill and HT garage. In addition, the off-peak and early morning frequency is being increased as well as earlier journeys on weekends. This seems fairly sensible to me as travel patterns have evolved since Covid and there's tended to be a 'spreadout' of commuter trips in the new WFH/hybrid era. Controversially, I think the 358s ieTrams or the displaced Red Arrow SEes should have been put to use on the W7 - big single decks (or bendies better still) I feel would possibly work well on that route. Agree that Artics suit such a route just like the 507 & 521. Beyond that though, their use would still be extremely limited in London Borderline aswell the old 436, 207 and 453 might just work but even those I think people still appreciate buses with more seats. |
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 12:16:42 GMT
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Post by jake on Aug 12, 2024 12:16:42 GMT
VMS2822 on service on the 487
it’s new, I thought WJ doesn’t have chargers set up yet?
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 12, 2024 12:22:46 GMT
My prediction: BDEs for the 4 BELs for the 153 WDEs for the 90. 98 and E2/E8 Can predict this happening as well, to share an common pool engineering wise across garages. Certainly for the 4/90/153, but no electrics so far at AH/AC so could go for any type there. Considering WJ will be getting just one electric DD for the 206 (a BDE), I could see the 98 get BDEs too, allowing to swap round the 206 bus if needed? |
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 12:23:35 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Aug 12, 2024 12:23:35 GMT
Is rubbish that TfL is decreasing frequency on one on the most frequent routes that come every 3 minutes. W7 going down from 17 to 11. I don't know why they want to do this. I suspect much of the saving is coming from the removal of garage journeys between Muswell Hill and HT garage. In addition, the off-peak and early morning frequency is being increased as well as earlier journeys on weekends. This seems fairly sensible to me as travel patterns have evolved since Covid and there's tended to be a 'spreadout' of commuter trips in the new WFH/hybrid era. Controversially, I think the 358s ieTrams or the displaced Red Arrow SEes should have been put to use on the W7 - big single decks (or bendies better still) I feel would possibly work well on that route. I did suggest previously that 12m single deckers might be a better option on the W7, it is basically a 'Red Arrow' type service. |
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Post by randomy on Aug 12, 2024 12:38:13 GMT
VMS2822 on service on the 487 it’s new, I thought WJ doesn’t have chargers set up yet? 487 had VMS2816 since March |
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Metroline
Aug 12, 2024 12:47:22 GMT
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Post by mrhk on Aug 12, 2024 12:47:22 GMT
Can predict this happening as well, to share an common pool engineering wise across garages. Certainly for the 4/90/153, but no electrics so far at AH/AC so could go for any type there. Considering WJ will be getting just one electric DD for the 206 (a BDE), I could see the 98 get BDEs too, allowing to swap round the 206 bus if needed? Is there even any need to get one new bus for the 206? A lot of hybrids are about to be made spare and one could definetly made spare. |
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Post by redexpress on Aug 12, 2024 12:57:00 GMT
Is rubbish that TfL is decreasing frequency on one on the most frequent routes that come every 3 minutes. W7 going down from 17 to 11. I don't know why they want to do this. I suspect much of the saving is coming from the removal of garage journeys between Muswell Hill and HT garage. In addition, the off-peak and early morning frequency is being increased as well as earlier journeys on weekends. This seems fairly sensible to me as travel patterns have evolved since Covid and there's tended to be a 'spreadout' of commuter trips in the new WFH/hybrid era. Controversially, I think the 358s ieTrams or the displaced Red Arrow SEes should have been put to use on the W7 - big single decks (or bendies better still) I feel would possibly work well on that route. This is often suggested for the W7; being a short but very busy route it does seem to lend itself well to artic operation. If artics could fit round the route I'd certainly be in favour, mostly for the lower dwell times, but there just isn't the stand space (particularly at Muswell Hill). Road space is also an issue along parts of the route, especially navigating between parked cars on Park Road.
I can't see the point in using rigid 12m single-deckers on the route. You'd be losing a lot of capacity per bus and not gaining much in return. Given that you'd need a higher frequency to maintain peak capacity, I'd much rather see a DD every 5 minutes than an SD every 3 minutes. I'd add that this is not one of those routes where people clog up the lower deck. Despite its short length people readily go upstairs and make full use of the upper deck, unlike on some other routes.
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