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Post by mrhk on Nov 3, 2024 0:36:30 GMT
As a few others have mentioned, if the 292 was the move out it wouldn't be sufficient enough to house the 258 as the 258 has a higher pvr than the 292 so ultimately would result in something else moving out too. Whilst I agree, as a garage terminator the 140 shouldn't move, it necessarily doesn't mean it wont. Seeing as the other routes don't really have anywhere else to go (do correct me if I'm wrong), the 140 out of G isn't entirely irrational. When G had the 482, I'm assuming drivers had to travel on the E5 from the garage to Southall and so if needs be, the changeovers could be at Hayes, ASDA instead. With the 350 extension most likely going ahead, the 140 could move to the stop there with the 495 terminating at the 140's current stop. Or more simply, 92 and the Central Line/a direct 282 to Northolt would work too. Like I said, if you have any other shuffling ideas, feel free to contest my "140 to G" idea. Not going to bother, as it will just make you come out with more rubbish suggestions... Whatever you say! All I've heard is everything against my suggestion but no alternative proposal to it. Like I said, I'm open to other users disagreeing with me but calling my proposal "rubbish" and providing no alternative isn't going to get us anywhere. If you deem this another "rubbish" response, feel free to ignore what I've said and have yourself a lovely evening! |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Nov 3, 2024 0:37:27 GMT
Maybe because WJ is full and HD is closer. Don't think WJ is full by any means. They were once housing 18 and 295 at the same time and since losing those, they've only made relatively small gains. 18's of 48 + 295's PVR of 22 = 70 Since then, 316, 487 and 28 have moved in 316's PVR of 18 + 487's PVR of 11 + 28's PVR of 19 = 48 Not going to count 187 or 228 as both routes were present when the 18 and 295 were as well 70 - 48 = 22. Could easily fit in the 258 or (maybe) even the 182 with its PVR of 25 WJ is full, hence why the 31 moved out to make room for the 28. |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 3, 2024 0:38:51 GMT
Don't think WJ is full by any means. They were once housing 18 and 295 at the same time and since losing those, they've only made relatively small gains. 18's of 48 + 295's PVR of 22 = 70 Since then, 316, 487 and 28 have moved in 316's PVR of 18 + 487's PVR of 11 + 28's PVR of 19 = 48 Not going to count 187 or 228 as both routes were present when the 18 and 295 were as well 70 - 48 = 22. Could easily fit in the 258 or (maybe) even the 182 with its PVR of 25 Then why did they have to move the 31 out of WJ just to fit in. Don’t forget that the 18 and 295 also had night routes that helped create the extra space. If I'm not mistaken the 31 moved out so the 28 could move in. WJ definetly had space for the two so I've no idea why they didn't keep both the routes there. Will be interesting to see what happens in regards to the 258 regardless. Could end up not even going HD 🤷♀️ (unlikely, I know however nothings impossible!) |
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Post by COBO on Nov 3, 2024 0:39:07 GMT
Not going to bother, as it will just make you come out with more rubbish suggestions... Whatever you say! All I've heard is everything against my suggestion but no alternative proposal to it. Like I said, I'm open to other users disagreeing with me but calling my proposal "rubbish" and providing no alternative isn't going to get us anywhere. If you deem this another "rubbish" response, feel free to ignore what I've said and have yourself a lovely evening! Well he does work for Metroline. |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 3, 2024 0:39:28 GMT
Don't think WJ is full by any means. They were once housing 18 and 295 at the same time and since losing those, they've only made relatively small gains. 18's of 48 + 295's PVR of 22 = 70 Since then, 316, 487 and 28 have moved in 316's PVR of 18 + 487's PVR of 11 + 28's PVR of 19 = 48 Not going to count 187 or 228 as both routes were present when the 18 and 295 were as well 70 - 48 = 22. Could easily fit in the 258 or (maybe) even the 182 with its PVR of 25 WJ is full, hence why the 31 moved out to make room for the 28. I stand corrected. Apologies. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 3, 2024 0:39:56 GMT
To be honest I can't see anything other than the 292 moving out of HD, and I reckon it will either move to EW or PB. If it goes to EW, the 240 will probably go to W and the 143 to HT, but it might be simpler/cheaper to just move the 292 to PB as nothing else would have to move.
If HD doesn't have enough space for the 5 additional buses the 258 brings (258 PVR 12, 292 PVR 7), the rest of the N98 can move to HD.
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Post by COBO on Nov 3, 2024 0:41:56 GMT
Then why did they have to move the 31 out of WJ just to fit in. Don’t forget that the 18 and 295 also had night routes that helped create the extra space. If I'm not mistaken the 31 moved out so the 28 could move in. WJ definetly had space for the two so I've no idea why they didn't keep both the routes there. Will be interesting to see what happens in regards to the 258 regardless. Could end up not even going HD 🤷♀️ (unlikely, I know however nothings impossible!) No they didn’t have any space for both or otherwise they would have both at the garage. How do you know that WJ had space? Do you even know how much space WJ has? |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 3, 2024 0:42:26 GMT
To be honest I can't see anything other than the 292 moving out of HD, and I reckon it will either move to EW or PB. If it goes to EW, the 240 will probably go to W and the 143 to HT, but it might be simpler/cheaper to just move the 292 to PB as nothing else would have to move. If HD doesn't have enough space for the 5 additional buses the 258 brings (258 PVR 12, 292 PVR 7), the rest of the N98 can move to HD. If PB isn't full, 292 could definetly fit into there however how would moving night routes help might I ask? |
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Post by COBO on Nov 3, 2024 0:43:25 GMT
To be honest I can't see anything other than the 292 moving out of HD, and I reckon it will either move to EW or PB. If it goes to EW, the 240 will probably go to W and the 143 to HT, but it might be simpler/cheaper to just move the 292 to PB as nothing else would have to move. If HD doesn't have enough space for the 5 additional buses the 258 brings (258 PVR 12, 292 PVR 7), the rest of the N98 can move to HD. If PB isn't full, 292 could definetly fit into there however how would moving night routes help might I ask? Night routes help garages create extra space. |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 3, 2024 0:44:31 GMT
If I'm not mistaken the 31 moved out so the 28 could move in. WJ definetly had space for the two so I've no idea why they didn't keep both the routes there. Will be interesting to see what happens in regards to the 258 regardless. Could end up not even going HD 🤷♀️ (unlikely, I know however nothings impossible!) No they didn’t have any space for both or otherwise they would have both at the garage. How do you know that WJ had space? Do you even know how much space WJ has? Like I said in an earlier post, I stand corrected. That's my bad. I was assuming off the basis that the space the 18 left hadn't been wholly filled up because of it's huge PVR. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 3, 2024 0:49:00 GMT
To be honest I can't see anything other than the 292 moving out of HD, and I reckon it will either move to EW or PB. If it goes to EW, the 240 will probably go to W and the 143 to HT, but it might be simpler/cheaper to just move the 292 to PB as nothing else would have to move. If HD doesn't have enough space for the 5 additional buses the 258 brings (258 PVR 12, 292 PVR 7), the rest of the N98 can move to HD. If PB isn't full, 292 could definetly fit into there however how would moving night routes help might I ask? Buses that are out during the night are not taking up space in the garage at the time when the rest of the fleet is parked up, so this in effect frees up space. The only time when doing this causes issues is on Christmas Day, when no buses are in use, but HD usually have arrangements with TfL to use Stanmore station car park to park some buses. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 3, 2024 1:07:50 GMT
In regards to G, I can't see anything moving into the garage in relation to the 258 win, but G themselves will definitely have an eye on winning the 105 off RATP, and later down the line the 207 from Abellio.
The spare VMHs from routes 31, 90 and 113 could be used to retain the 95 and win the 105.
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Post by COBO on Nov 3, 2024 1:09:45 GMT
In regards to G, I can't see anything moving into the garage in relation to the 258 win, but G themselves will definitely have an eye on winning the 105 off RATP, and later down the line the 207 from Abellio. The spare VMHs from routes 31, 90 and 113 would be ideally used to retain the 95 and win the 105. And also the 4 has spare VMHs once its WDEs arrive. |
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Post by mrhk on Nov 3, 2024 1:19:15 GMT
If PB isn't full, 292 could definetly fit into there however how would moving night routes help might I ask? Buses that are out during the night are not taking up space in the garage at the time when the rest of the fleet is parked up, so this in effect frees up space. The only time when doing this causes issues is on Christmas Day, when no buses are in use, but HD usually have arrangements with TfL to use Stanmore station car park to park some buses. I see. Thank you for explaining it to me! |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 3, 2024 9:38:16 GMT
Maybe because WJ is full and HD is closer. Don't think WJ is full by any means. They were once housing 18 and 295 at the same time and since losing those, they've only made relatively small gains. 18's of 48 + 295's PVR of 22 = 70 Since then, 316, 487 and 28 have moved in 316's PVR of 18 + 487's PVR of 11 + 28's PVR of 19 = 48 Not going to count 187 or 228 as both routes were present when the 18 and 295 were as well 70 - 48 = 22. Could easily fit in the 258 or (maybe) even the 182 with its PVR of 25 223 and H17 have also both moved in. However the 226 was also lost. |
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