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Post by rif153 on Nov 30, 2019 22:55:35 GMT
I thought some VWHs from PB route 34 would go to HT. This cascade could release some TEHs from HT for part of route 139, thus confining TEHs to W, EW and soon G. Why cascade buses when there are already enough at HT? The ones released from the 43 are enough to displace buses on the 271. Precisely, keep the VWHs at PB for use on other routes there such as the 125, 231, and 317 - pushes out TEs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 8:16:26 GMT
Well Metroline's deal with MCV should end next year or 2021 as they have a 3 year deal, could it be extended? I wasn't aware of any deal so thanks for bringing that to my attention - can't think why it couldn't be extended providing both parties are happy with the terms There isn’t any deal with MCV. Tommy before he left said the deal was with Volvo but Metroline prefer MCV at the moment for obvious reasons.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 1, 2019 11:00:58 GMT
Why cascade buses when there are already enough at HT? The ones released from the 43 are enough to displace buses on the 271. Precisely, keep the VWHs at PB for use on other routes there such as the 125, 231, and 317 - pushes out TEs Thats what has already happened pretty much - TE889/897/901-904/908/909 have not seen use since around the 34 loss, with TE897/902-904 now marked as withdrawn on lvf. TE928/939/940 have also been missing at PB since around the time of loss as well. Notably there is also a couple of VWHs missing, whether they have just taken this opportunity to give them some heavy maintenance is yet to be seen. Some of the VWHs are also temporarily pushing some VMHs out to PA, as seemingly the issues with the OMEs are ongoing, with many also still not in service. I think once this is all sorted more TEs will slowly begin to disappear. But considering some TEs have already been withdrawn is a sign that this is what their intended use is.
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 1, 2019 11:08:15 GMT
TA648 has joined the Bromley Bus Preservation Group’s ever growing fleet for preservation!
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Post by barrypotter on Dec 1, 2019 13:50:57 GMT
Precisely, keep the VWHs at PB for use on other routes there such as the 125, 231, and 317 - pushes out TEs Thats what has already happened pretty much - TE889/897/901-904/908/909 have not seen use since around the 34 loss, with TE897/902-904 now marked as withdrawn on lvf. TE928/939/940 have also been missing at PB since around the time of loss as well. Notably there is also a couple of VWHs missing, whether they have just taken this opportunity to give them some heavy maintenance is yet to be seen. Some of the VWHs are also temporarily pushing some VMHs out to PA, as seemingly the issues with the OMEs are ongoing, with many also still not in service. I think once this is all sorted more TEs will slowly begin to disappear. But considering some TEs have already been withdrawn is a sign that this is what their intended use is. TE 889 is now a Commercial bus, joining 886/7/8/90
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Post by foxhat on Dec 1, 2019 13:55:21 GMT
Thats what has already happened pretty much - TE889/897/901-904/908/909 have not seen use since around the 34 loss, with TE897/902-904 now marked as withdrawn on lvf. TE928/939/940 have also been missing at PB since around the time of loss as well. Notably there is also a couple of VWHs missing, whether they have just taken this opportunity to give them some heavy maintenance is yet to be seen. Some of the VWHs are also temporarily pushing some VMHs out to PA, as seemingly the issues with the OMEs are ongoing, with many also still not in service. I think once this is all sorted more TEs will slowly begin to disappear. But considering some TEs have already been withdrawn is a sign that this is what their intended use is. TE 889 is now a Commercial bus, joining 886/7/8/90 Makes sense
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Post by redbus on Dec 1, 2019 14:03:17 GMT
Is it likely that the existing hybrids for the 139 will be existing VWHs from route 7 when it gets its new hydrogen DDs, Metroline would probably order extra Streetdecks to complete the TVR of 26 for the 139 (dependent on if Gemini 3s are still going to be built) or VMHs I think it is far from clear that the Hydrogen buses for route 7 will be in service in time to release the VWHs for the 139. The situation with Wrightbus is at least publically still up in the air as to when the buses will be delivered. I am also unsure if the hydrogen system originally chosen by Wrighbus is the Ryse Hydrogen system. Given that Ryse Hydrogen is owned by Bamford I suspect they will want to use their own system, and all these things could delay the hydrogen buses for route 7.
Also placing VWHs on the 139 will mean introducing a new bus type at W, so if as we all assume the 139 will go to W, the preferred option might be to use existing TEHs.
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Post by E279 on Dec 1, 2019 14:10:03 GMT
Is it likely that the existing hybrids for the 139 will be existing VWHs from route 7 when it gets its new hydrogen DDs, Metroline would probably order extra Streetdecks to complete the TVR of 26 for the 139 (dependent on if Gemini 3s are still going to be built) or VMHs I think it is far from clear that the Hydrogen buses for route 7 will be in service in time to release the VWHs for the 139. The situation with Wrightbus is at least publically still up in the air as to when the buses will be delivered. I am also unsure if the hydrogen system originally chosen by Wrighbus is the Ryse Hydrogen system. Given that Ryse Hydrogen is owned by Bamford I suspect they will want to use their own system, and all these things could delay the hydrogen buses for route 7.
Also placing VWHs on the 139 will mean introducing a new bus type at W, so if as we all assume the 139 will go to W, the preferred option might be to use existing TEHs.
On the contrary, someone from W @jordzjohn03, has stated the TEHs are heading to G via refurbishment so their aren’t any other TEHs free that are complaint for a new contract and those 19 TEHs alone wouldn’t be enough so they’d have to introduce another type anyway. There are 10 free VMHs and Metroline seem to be keen with sticking with VMHs, of course they could surprise us and go for Brand new TEHs but since they’re using existing buses as well I recon it’s more than likely they will utilise the 10 spare VMHs from the 31/90 conversion plus new VMHs.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 1, 2019 15:37:50 GMT
Is it likely that the existing hybrids for the 139 will be existing VWHs from route 7 when it gets its new hydrogen DDs, Metroline would probably order extra Streetdecks to complete the TVR of 26 for the 139 (dependent on if Gemini 3s are still going to be built) or VMHs I think it is far from clear that the Hydrogen buses for route 7 will be in service in time to release the VWHs for the 139. The situation with Wrightbus is at least publically still up in the air as to when the buses will be delivered. I am also unsure if the hydrogen system originally chosen by Wrighbus is the Ryse Hydrogen system. Given that Ryse Hydrogen is owned by Bamford I suspect they will want to use their own system, and all these things could delay the hydrogen buses for route 7.
Also placing VWHs on the 139 will mean introducing a new bus type at W, so if as we all assume the 139 will go to W, the preferred option might be to use existing TEHs.
Ryse was the original partner
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Post by rif153 on Dec 1, 2019 16:16:14 GMT
I think it is far from clear that the Hydrogen buses for route 7 will be in service in time to release the VWHs for the 139. The situation with Wrightbus is at least publically still up in the air as to when the buses will be delivered. I am also unsure if the hydrogen system originally chosen by Wrighbus is the Ryse Hydrogen system. Given that Ryse Hydrogen is owned by Bamford I suspect they will want to use their own system, and all these things could delay the hydrogen buses for route 7.
Also placing VWHs on the 139 will mean introducing a new bus type at W, so if as we all assume the 139 will go to W, the preferred option might be to use existing TEHs.
On the contrary, someone from W @jordzjohn03 , has stated the TEHs are heading to G via refurbishment so their aren’t any other TEHs free that are complaint for a new contract and those 19 TEHs alone wouldn’t be enough so they’d have to introduce another type anyway. There are 10 free VMHs and Metroline seem to be keen with sticking with VMHs, of course they could surprise us and go for Brand new TEHs but since they’re using existing buses as well I recon it’s more than likely they will utilise the 10 spare VMHs from the 31/90 conversion plus new VMHs. Yes we know the TEHs from the 266 are going to the 282. However, the TEHs from the 271, although not many, could easily go to HT for the 139, with the VWHs surplus from the 43's BDE conversion used on the 271 instead.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 1, 2019 17:04:53 GMT
Is it likely that the existing hybrids for the 139 will be existing VWHs from route 7 when it gets its new hydrogen DDs, Metroline would probably order extra Streetdecks to complete the TVR of 26 for the 139 (dependent on if Gemini 3s are still going to be built) or VMHs I think it is far from clear that the Hydrogen buses for route 7 will be in service in time to release the VWHs for the 139. The situation with Wrightbus is at least publically still up in the air as to when the buses will be delivered. I am also unsure if the hydrogen system originally chosen by Wrighbus is the Ryse Hydrogen system. Given that Ryse Hydrogen is owned by Bamford I suspect they will want to use their own system, and all these things could delay the hydrogen buses for route 7.
Also placing VWHs on the 139 will mean introducing a new bus type at W, so if as we all assume the 139 will go to W, the preferred option might be to use existing TEHs.
I can see the 10 ex 271 TEHs going to W for definite. I also have a feeling those 7 ex Stagecoach E400Hs may be purchased. That makes it 17/25, then theres 2 61 reg TEHs released from the 266, and a single spare at EW. 5 vehicles would then need to be sourced - perhaps some VWs displaced from PA could go to ON for the 204 and shift some TEs back over to EW for the 32, allowing 5 more TEHs to come from EW. I do have a feeling that W will not introduce any VMHs/VWHs. Either way they have just under a year to prepare, so they could probably get a fleet of mainly existing vehicles - They may even try out buying a few MMC TEHs again (unlikely), but who knows.
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Post by E279 on Dec 1, 2019 17:15:11 GMT
On the contrary, someone from W @jordzjohn03 , has stated the TEHs are heading to G via refurbishment so their aren’t any other TEHs free that are complaint for a new contract and those 19 TEHs alone wouldn’t be enough so they’d have to introduce another type anyway. There are 10 free VMHs and Metroline seem to be keen with sticking with VMHs, of course they could surprise us and go for Brand new TEHs but since they’re using existing buses as well I recon it’s more than likely they will utilise the 10 spare VMHs from the 31/90 conversion plus new VMHs. Yes we know the TEHs from the 266 are going to the 282. However, the TEHs from the 271, although not many, could easily go to HT for the 139, with the VWHs surplus from the 43's BDE conversion used on the 271 instead. I recon they'll go to EW for the 240. They are too old to join a contract in late 2020.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 1, 2019 17:40:34 GMT
Yes we know the TEHs from the 266 are going to the 282. However, the TEHs from the 271, although not many, could easily go to HT for the 139, with the VWHs surplus from the 43's BDE conversion used on the 271 instead. I recon they'll go to EW for the 240. They are too old to join a contract in late 2020. That gives me a, purely speculative, thought. If Metroline want the 139 to use newer buses than perhaps TEHs could move to W for use on the 332 with the 139 taking the MMCs so it uses/is allocated newer buses.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 1, 2019 17:41:27 GMT
Yes we know the TEHs from the 266 are going to the 282. However, the TEHs from the 271, although not many, could easily go to HT for the 139, with the VWHs surplus from the 43's BDE conversion used on the 271 instead. I recon they'll go to EW for the 240. They are too old to join a contract in late 2020. They are not too old for a contract in late 2020 - they'll be exactly 10, and the theoretical age limit for TfL is 15, meaning they can do 1 more 5 year contract - Not many make it that far but some do. Or they could use these for some of the contract until something newer comes available. The 240 could easily gain newer TEs, for example the 12 regs that are currently scattered around can be grouped up, and that'll make 11 which will fit the 240 perfectly. The 240 also stated diesel buses on its contract anyway, so doesn't necessarily need hybrids.
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Post by Londontransport3 on Dec 1, 2019 18:14:41 GMT
TA648 has joined the Bromley Bus Preservation Group’s ever growing fleet for preservation! Saw it arrive Yesterday Before taking 17811 Out, Sadly Escaped My Hands!
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