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Post by redbus on Dec 1, 2019 18:46:19 GMT
I recon they'll go to EW for the 240. They are too old to join a contract in late 2020. They are not too old for a contract in late 2020 - they'll be exactly 10, and the theoretical age limit for TfL is 15, meaning they can do 1 more 5 year contract - Not many make it that far but some do. Or they could use these for some of the contract until something newer comes available. The 240 could easily gain newer TEs, for example the 12 regs that are currently scattered around can be grouped up, and that'll make 11 which will fit the 240 perfectly. The 240 also stated diesel buses on its contract anyway, so doesn't necessarily need hybrids. I think you are right the TEHs could be used for another contract, and if Metroline wanted to introduce say electric buses mid-contract on the 139 to put them in the best position for renewal, it would certainly work. Having said that the question is whether they want to introduce a new type of bus at W for the 139 or not. My suspicion is that VMHs will end up on the route with the occasional appearance of an LT!!
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 1, 2019 19:26:04 GMT
TA648 has joined the Bromley Bus Preservation Group’s ever growing fleet for preservation! Great to see another local bus of mine, following on from VLP21, PDL152 and VLW80, preserved - Never did really get to use this batch as I only started using the 32 more recently after it moved to EW sadly - But is nonetheless nice to see a former common sight in my area preserved. Would be nice if VP549/614 follow in its footsteps, whether its a BBPG or elsewhere - If BBPG get it then the nice picture from the PB running day with TA648/VP549 displaying route 16 to Victoria and route 52 to Victoria can be recreated .
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 1, 2019 19:28:02 GMT
They are not too old for a contract in late 2020 - they'll be exactly 10, and the theoretical age limit for TfL is 15, meaning they can do 1 more 5 year contract - Not many make it that far but some do. Or they could use these for some of the contract until something newer comes available. The 240 could easily gain newer TEs, for example the 12 regs that are currently scattered around can be grouped up, and that'll make 11 which will fit the 240 perfectly. The 240 also stated diesel buses on its contract anyway, so doesn't necessarily need hybrids. I think you are right the TEHs could be used for another contract, and if Metroline wanted to introduce say electric buses mid-contract on the 139 to put them in the best position for renewal, it would certainly work. Having said that the question is whether they want to introduce a new type of bus at W for the 139 or not. My suspicion is that VMHs will end up on the route with the occasional appearance of an LT!! I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn.
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Post by redbus on Dec 1, 2019 21:11:10 GMT
I think you are right the TEHs could be used for another contract, and if Metroline wanted to introduce say electric buses mid-contract on the 139 to put them in the best position for renewal, it would certainly work. Having said that the question is whether they want to introduce a new type of bus at W for the 139 or not. My suspicion is that VMHs will end up on the route with the occasional appearance of an LT!! I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn. I hope you are right. I would like to see TEHs back on the 139, like old times as it was TEH operated until April 2017. Metroline can go back and use the same TEHs again as far as I am concerned!
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Post by rif153 on Dec 1, 2019 21:15:24 GMT
I think you are right the TEHs could be used for another contract, and if Metroline wanted to introduce say electric buses mid-contract on the 139 to put them in the best position for renewal, it would certainly work. Having said that the question is whether they want to introduce a new type of bus at W for the 139 or not. My suspicion is that VMHs will end up on the route with the occasional appearance of an LT!! I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn. Another option though I accept this is unlikely. VMHs are ordered for the 139 but diverted to G for the 282 to introduce a common user pool with the 607, with the 13-reg TEHs used on the 139. I know I'm going to be lambasted for making such an outlandish proposition which contravenes an existing plan, however, plans can change.
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Post by LK65EBO on Dec 1, 2019 21:17:41 GMT
I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn. Another option though I accept this is unlikely. VMHs are ordered for the 139 but diverted to G for the 282 to introduce a common user pool with the 607, with the 13-reg TEHs used on the 139. I know I'm going to be lambasted for making such an outlandish proposition which contravenes an existing plan, however, plans can change. As seen clearly in the H91/79 situation back in November 2018!
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Post by rif153 on Dec 1, 2019 21:25:22 GMT
I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn. Another option though I accept this is unlikely. VMHs are ordered for the 139 but diverted to G for the 282 to introduce a common user pool with the 607, with the 13-reg TEHs used on the 139. I know I'm going to be lambasted for making such an outlandish proposition which contravenes an existing plan, however, plans can change. Alternatively, VMHs could be sent to EW to release TEHs. EW and soon G are the only garages I can think of that have, or will have, TEHs and VMHs, so in theory seem the most likely to be involved in any shuffling.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 1, 2019 22:13:23 GMT
I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn. Another option though I accept this is unlikely. VMHs are ordered for the 139 but diverted to G for the 282 to introduce a common user pool with the 607, with the 13-reg TEHs used on the 139. I know I'm going to be lambasted for making such an outlandish proposition which contravenes an existing plan, however, plans can change. Not the worst suggestion ever, of course we'll have to see what happens.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 2, 2019 11:54:01 GMT
I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn. Another option though I accept this is unlikely. VMHs are ordered for the 139 but diverted to G for the 282 to introduce a common user pool with the 607, with the 13-reg TEHs used on the 139. I know I'm going to be lambasted for making such an outlandish proposition which contravenes an existing plan, however, plans can change. Unlikely that any new buses would need to be ordered given the number of surplus hybrids in the fleet, and has been suggested that the 7's VWHs could be used for the 139. Though there could be the option to send these VWHs to G or EW to release TEHs. The 61reg batch (mostly at EW) was formerly allocated to the 139 so would be a suitable batch size. However, I don't think Metroline will prioritise TEHs for the 139, given that non-ADL DD types are now introduced at garages such as EW and G.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:20:57 GMT
I am doubting VMHs will go on the route or even go to W in the near future - There would only be 10 available, and at the moment it looks like all will go to PA, though they may play a role in cascading VWs elsewhere such as the 204 which could end up in TEs going to routes like the 240 and TEHs cascaded to the 139 and older TEs withdrawn. Another option though I accept this is unlikely. VMHs are ordered for the 139 but diverted to G for the 282 to introduce a common user pool with the 607, with the 13-reg TEHs used on the 139. I know I'm going to be lambasted for making such an outlandish proposition which contravenes an existing plan, however, plans can change. Why not ? Stranger things have happened
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:22:47 GMT
Following on from a discussion re RA and the 507/521
TfL putting equipment into a Metroline garage for route 7 basically awards the route back to Metroline doesn't it ?
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Post by richard on Dec 2, 2019 13:28:21 GMT
Following on from a discussion re RA and the 507/521 TfL putting equipment into a Metroline garage for route 7 basically awards the route back to Metroline doesn't it ? They keep the route for another 5 years they gave never lost the 7 😉
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Post by george on Dec 2, 2019 13:31:55 GMT
Following on from a discussion re RA and the 507/521 TfL putting equipment into a Metroline garage for route 7 basically awards the route back to Metroline doesn't it ? I always found it strange from the start that the electrics aren't owned by TfL it basically gives the current operator an extremely good chance at retaining the route.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:50:08 GMT
Following on from a discussion re RA and the 507/521 TfL putting equipment into a Metroline garage for route 7 basically awards the route back to Metroline doesn't it ? They keep the route for another 5 years they gave never lost the 7 😉 Well its historical "home" is X !!
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Post by richard on Dec 2, 2019 14:01:46 GMT
They keep the route for another 5 years they gave never lost the 7 😉 Well its historical "home" is X !! Yes that's when it was with First not Metroline
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