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Post by wirewiper on Oct 12, 2022 15:48:18 GMT
Guess this confirms the 263 will remain at Metroline, being one of the routes to have contracts rolled over. 17 reg VWHs from the 245 and possibly LTs from the 168? (Would think they'd do the E8, not sure they'd pass a route test on the E2) My guess would be for 263 to take over the 271 contract, given it partly replaces the 271. Then in the short term, the E2/E8 would use the 271's 17reg VWHs and the 245's 15reg VWHs. Will be very interesting to see what is ordered for the E2/E8 though, as PB and PV will have different types of chargers. On the "Tender Results 12th October 2022" thread it states that routes E2 and E8 have been awarded with new electric double-deck, but these will be operationally exchanged with existing hybrids from routes 245 and 263 until at least 2025. In other words, new electrics will be ordered against the E2 and E8 contracts but will be assigned to the 245 and 263, with hybrids cascaded to the E2 and E8. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 12, 2022 23:21:12 GMT
With the 134's PVR due to be cut soon, it seems likely the 317 might convert fully to OMEs considering the PVR. Perhaps the VMHs could then stay at PB to form the 626/634 allocations?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 0:11:51 GMT
I find it quite hard to comprehend how a company can win contracts for routes with buses that will never actually run on the routes concerned. Perhaps I’m being simple.
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 13, 2022 0:37:07 GMT
I find it quite hard to comprehend how a company can win contracts for routes with buses that will never actually run on the routes concerned. Perhaps I’m being simple. If you're referring to the E2/E8, the buses will run on the routes from 2025. I'm pretty sure the reason stated was the situation at AH and the inability to operate electric vehicles from the current site. So Metroline did bid for and win the routes with electric buses, but a temporary operational constraint prevents electric operation at the moment. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 13, 2022 0:53:24 GMT
I find it quite hard to comprehend how a company can win contracts for routes with buses that will never actually run on the routes concerned. Perhaps I’m being simple. If you're referring to the E2/E8, the buses will run on the routes from 2025. I'm pretty sure the reason stated was the situation at AH and the inability to operate electric vehicles from the current site. So Metroline did bid for and win the routes with electric buses, but a temporary operational constraint prevents electric operation at the moment. Why does the current sit have an issue with operating electrical vehicles? AFAIK, and I've seen it mentioned on the London Facebook group as well, the reason is simply because AH is being redeveloped as has long been proposed. I'm actually surprised they didn't defer the date of the electric vehicles to enter service until 2025, leave the VWH's where they are and let the VW's run until then. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 13, 2022 1:10:00 GMT
If you're referring to the E2/E8, the buses will run on the routes from 2025. I'm pretty sure the reason stated was the situation at AH and the inability to operate electric vehicles from the current site. So Metroline did bid for and win the routes with electric buses, but a temporary operational constraint prevents electric operation at the moment. Why does the current sit have an issue with operating electrical vehicles? AFAIK, and I've seen it mentioned on the London Facebook group as well, the reason is simply because AH is being redeveloped as has long been proposed. I'm actually surprised they didn't defer the date of the electric vehicles to enter service until 2025, leave the VWH's where they are and let the VW's run until then. Yes, I was implying they are unable to operate electric buses at the moment due to said redevelopment. |
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Oct 13, 2022 1:11:49 GMT
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Post by COBO on Oct 13, 2022 1:11:49 GMT
I wonder if the E2 and E8 could be run from PV.
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 13, 2022 5:51:15 GMT
I wonder if the E2 and E8 could be run from PV. In theory yes but why would they? E2 literally terminates at the AH and E8 is just down the road |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 13, 2022 6:07:34 GMT
If you're referring to the E2/E8, the buses will run on the routes from 2025. I'm pretty sure the reason stated was the situation at AH and the inability to operate electric vehicles from the current site. So Metroline did bid for and win the routes with electric buses, but a temporary operational constraint prevents electric operation at the moment. Why does the current sit have an issue with operating electrical vehicles? AFAIK, and I've seen it mentioned on the London Facebook group as well, the reason is simply because AH is being redeveloped as has long been proposed. I'm actually surprised they didn't defer the date of the electric vehicles to enter service until 2025, leave the VWH's where they are and let the VW's run until then. Presumably Metroline and TfL are keen to dispose of full diesels as soon as possible. |
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Post by j67 on Oct 13, 2022 6:24:31 GMT
I wonder if the E2 and E8 could be run from PV. G would be closer for E2 and E8, that’s if they would run on diesels or hybrids. |
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Post by snowman on Oct 13, 2022 7:27:09 GMT
Why does the current sit have an issue with operating electrical vehicles? AFAIK, and I've seen it mentioned on the London Facebook group as well, the reason is simply because AH is being redeveloped as has long been proposed. I'm actually surprised they didn't defer the date of the electric vehicles to enter service until 2025, leave the VWH's where they are and let the VW's run until then. Presumably Metroline and TfL are keen to dispose of full diesels as soon as possible. The reason (and this appeared in a TfL Board paper about year ago) is that TfL want to try and even out the introduction and avoid a huge introduction of new buses spiking in 2024-2025 A quick look at the TfL bus fleet audit report shows why At 31/03/22 (TfL year end) : still got 846 buses from 2011, 826 from 2012 so potentially would need 70 new buses per month for over 2 years |
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Post by COBO on Oct 13, 2022 7:44:37 GMT
I wonder if the E2 and E8 could be run from PV. In theory yes but why would they? E2 literally terminates at the AH and E8 is just down the road For a just in case scenario. Just in case AH gets full and it needs space or they need electric and they get them at AH. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 13, 2022 9:46:50 GMT
I wonder if the E2 and E8 could be run from PV. Wouldn't be ideal but I suppose it would allow electrics to be used straight away. However PV is close to full capacity, so might have to move the 90 or 483 to G to make space. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 13, 2022 10:09:18 GMT
I wonder if the E2 and E8 could be run from PV. They could, but there is no need to. TfL has agreed that electrics can be ordered against the E2 and E8 contracts but assigned to the 245 and 263, allowing hybrids to be cascaded to the E2 and E8. It was even announced in the tender awards. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 13, 2022 11:55:00 GMT
I wonder if the E2 and E8 could be run from PV. Wouldn't be ideal but I suppose it would allow electrics to be used straight away. However PV is close to full capacity, so might have to move the 90 or 483 to G to make space. The electrics will be used straight away - just not on the E2 and E8. They will be ordered against the new contract but assigned to the 245 and 263 instead, allowing hybrids to be cascaded to AH for the E2 and E8. This has the full blessing of TfL who even referred to it in the Tender Awards. TfL did imply that allocations of new electric buses would need to be juggled to some extent in order to flatten out peaks and troughs in the demand for new vehicles, and I would not be surprised if such a strategy formed part of TfL's recent funding agreement with the Government. This is an early sign of that strategy filtering through to the tendering process. |
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