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Post by DT 11 on Jul 31, 2020 19:15:35 GMT
Or at the very least extend the 486 to BX to not just restore a BX to N Greenwich link plus relieve some pressure on the Bexleyheath stand. I think a better solution would be to locate some new stand space somewhere around Bexleyheath as otherwise, every time routes switch between BX & the other operators, something will then need to be extended. I get extending the 486 in terms of relieving stand pressure but no one is going to travel to BX from North Greenwich so don’t think the second one is a good reason. You’ll be surprised because both the 132 & 486 are faster than the indirect 422. However the bus stands in Bexleyheath are overcrowded so extending the 132 & 486 there would be beneficial rather than having everything crammed into one small space, especially Geddes Place sometimes two 99s standing and occasionally 3 132s which then make it impossible for an out of service 401 to turn right into the bus stand.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2020 20:01:06 GMT
I think a better solution would be to locate some new stand space somewhere around Bexleyheath as otherwise, every time routes switch between BX & the other operators, something will then need to be extended. I get extending the 486 in terms of relieving stand pressure but no one is going to travel to BX from North Greenwich so don’t think the second one is a good reason. You’ll be surprised because both the 132 & 486 are faster than the indirect 422. However the bus stands in Bexleyheath are overcrowded so extending the 132 & 486 there would be beneficial rather than having everything crammed into one small space, especially Geddes Place sometimes two 99s standing and occasionally 3 132s which then make it impossible for an out of service 401 to turn right into the bus stand. My point is how many people are actually doing the full route - I'm aware that the 132 & 486 are quicker between the two destinations than the 422. We all agree that the bus stands are overcrowded but I don't think the solution is just extend a route to BX every time routes swap between operators - a new solution has to be found instead IMO.
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 31, 2020 21:26:26 GMT
I know this may seem random but I thought about how time flies with the type of buses that is on the road nowadays. I miss the Volvo Olympians that used to be with both London General and Central. My favourite batch had to be the Palatine 2 buses on the 74 with their high end seats. The Palatine 1 buses for the 35 and 21 were decent too and now everything has moved to Hybrid and Electric. Hopefully when everything eases up I would hope to see one of those buses again (maybe outside london due to ulez).
By the way does anyone know if they have been preserved by Bromley Bus presevation group?
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Post by Ts_As on Aug 1, 2020 5:22:53 GMT
TF allow the 33 to stand in the forecourt. Someone can correct me but I'm pretty sure the bit where 33 stands is actually owned by TfL rather than Abellio I'm sure I read that on here was. Also talking about the 33 something I find interesting is that Abellio could be many years into running the 33 by now as the last two tenders it was awarded to RATP because of these two reasons "increment justifiable to retain incumbent" and second one was the standard joint bid discount. I could possibly see GoAhead London winning route 50 in the future because if that’s successful then if the first bus starts from Stockwell the routes stand would be at Stockwell bus garage.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 1, 2020 9:03:29 GMT
I know this may seem random but I thought about how time flies with the type of buses that is on the road nowadays. I miss the Volvo Olympians that used to be with both London General and Central. My favourite batch had to be the Palatine 2 buses on the 74 with their high end seats. The Palatine 1 buses for the 35 and 21 were decent too and now everything has moved to Hybrid and Electric. Hopefully when everything eases up I would hope to see one of those buses again (maybe outside london due to ulez). By the way does anyone know if they have been preserved by Bromley Bus presevation group? I believe they should have NV50 and NV122
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Post by greg on Aug 1, 2020 10:46:31 GMT
Someone can correct me but I'm pretty sure the bit where 33 stands is actually owned by TfL rather than Abellio I'm sure I read that on here was. Also talking about the 33 something I find interesting is that Abellio could be many years into running the 33 by now as the last two tenders it was awarded to RATP because of these two reasons "increment justifiable to retain incumbent" and second one was the standard joint bid discount. I could possibly see GoAhead London winning route 50 in the future because if that’s successful then if the first bus starts from Stockwell the routes stand would be at Stockwell bus garage. Go Ahead have garages at both ends of the route, Croydon too. Could see a 50/118 swap with 50 going to Go Ahead and 118 to Arriva.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 1, 2020 10:52:01 GMT
Someone can correct me but I'm pretty sure the bit where 33 stands is actually owned by TfL rather than Abellio I'm sure I read that on here was. Also talking about the 33 something I find interesting is that Abellio could be many years into running the 33 by now as the last two tenders it was awarded to RATP because of these two reasons "increment justifiable to retain incumbent" and second one was the standard joint bid discount. I could possibly see GoAhead London winning route 50 in the future because if that’s successful then if the first bus starts from Stockwell the routes stand would be at Stockwell bus garage. That doesn't however necessarily mean that they'll make the garage the stand. The D6 recently made the move to CT Plus and effectively terminates right at the garage yet stands at the stand so it has easy access to the first stop. The 205 during the day is really similar, albeit it still stands in BW in the evenings. Garages can also get quite crowded in the evenings so standing buses can become a headache, I believe route 29 stands on the road in the evenings for this reason.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 1, 2020 11:03:07 GMT
I could possibly see GoAhead London winning route 50 in the future because if that’s successful then if the first bus starts from Stockwell the routes stand would be at Stockwell bus garage. Go Ahead have garages at both ends of the route, Croydon too. Could see a 50/118 swap with 50 going to Go Ahead and 118 to Arriva. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the 118 back under Arriva, remember those days running from BN with M's.
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 1, 2020 11:06:27 GMT
I could possibly see GoAhead London winning route 50 in the future because if that’s successful then if the first bus starts from Stockwell the routes stand would be at Stockwell bus garage. That doesn't however necessarily mean that they'll make the garage the stand. The D6 recently made the move to CT Plus and effectively terminates right at the garage yet stands at the stand so it has easy access to the first stop. The 205 during the day is really similar, albeit it still stands in BW in the evenings. Garages can also get quite crowded in the evenings so standing buses can become a headache, I believe route 29 stands on the road in the evenings for this reason. Same with the 140. Normally stands in HD but during the evening run in as buses start being parked in the garage for the night, it stands at the bus stand after the garage, where the N18 and N140 would normally stand
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 1, 2020 11:12:21 GMT
Go Ahead have garages at both ends of the route, Croydon too. Could see a 50/118 swap with 50 going to Go Ahead and 118 to Arriva. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the 118 back under Arriva, remember those days running from BN with M's. My final new M batch sampled was on route 118 in 1986. Likewise, my final M ride in London was on route 118 in 2000. Given that route 118 is entirely south of SW, and route 44 entirely north of AL, I think they would be better suited to opposite garages.
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Post by george on Aug 1, 2020 12:45:44 GMT
I could possibly see GoAhead London winning route 50 in the future because if that’s successful then if the first bus starts from Stockwell the routes stand would be at Stockwell bus garage. That doesn't however necessarily mean that they'll make the garage the stand. The D6 recently made the move to CT Plus and effectively terminates right at the garage yet stands at the stand so it has easy access to the first stop. The 205 during the day is really similar, albeit it still stands in BW in the evenings. Garages can also get quite crowded in the evenings so standing buses can become a headache, I believe route 29 stands on the road in the evenings for this reason. Likewise with the 74 standing at Putney Heath in the evening.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 1, 2020 22:26:58 GMT
You’ll be surprised because both the 132 & 486 are faster than the indirect 422. However the bus stands in Bexleyheath are overcrowded so extending the 132 & 486 there would be beneficial rather than having everything crammed into one small space, especially Geddes Place sometimes two 99s standing and occasionally 3 132s which then make it impossible for an out of service 401 to turn right into the bus stand. My point is how many people are actually doing the full route - I'm aware that the 132 & 486 are quicker between the two destinations than the 422. We all agree that the bus stands are overcrowded but I don't think the solution is just extend a route to BX every time routes swap between operators - a new solution has to be found instead IMO. There’s very little else that can be done apart from extend another route to BX, as far as I can see. Only other option, apart from possibly extending the 401 in a strange J-shape to the Springfield Road stand in Welling, is to curtail the 486 at Welling from the west, and I’m not massively struck on either of those ideas.
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 2, 2020 11:13:01 GMT
I know this may seem random but I thought about how time flies with the type of buses that is on the road nowadays. I miss the Volvo Olympians that used to be with both London General and Central. My favourite batch had to be the Palatine 2 buses on the 74 with their high end seats. The Palatine 1 buses for the 35 and 21 were decent too and now everything has moved to Hybrid and Electric. Hopefully when everything eases up I would hope to see one of those buses again (maybe outside london due to ulez). By the way does anyone know if they have been preserved by Bromley Bus presevation group? If you're interested in having a NV, I do believe Abbey Travel may be open to offers on the one they have - it has a PSV MOT on it and is still virtually original inside!
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Post by M1104 on Aug 2, 2020 12:24:53 GMT
Given that route 118 is entirely south of SW, and route 44 entirely north of AL, I think they would be better suited to opposite garages. Travelling time is less the present way round, plus i love having the odd MMC E40H workings on the 118
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Post by M1104 on Aug 2, 2020 12:30:10 GMT
According to today's online LOTS the 200 will be gradually converting to double decks as they become available, this being in relation to the new double-deck contract from next year and the eventual arrivals of the electric variants.
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