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Post by abellion on Jun 6, 2021 12:44:32 GMT
Is there a way to get a petition started to get this route converted to double decker. I remembered the 78 (Arriva) had a similar situation back in 2010/11 when Val Shawcross was on the case. Increase the frequency of 355 buses to BrixtonOne that's already been started. Is there even anything hindering full DD 355? Not enough buses? I'm sure TfL would be aware of the buses getting full by hardly the third stop from Brixton. Have even seen full 355s towards Brixton in Tooting recently
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Post by vjaska on Jun 6, 2021 13:28:29 GMT
Is there even anything hindering full DD 355? Not enough buses? I'm sure TfL would be aware of the buses getting full by hardly the third stop from Brixton. Have even seen full 355s towards Brixton in Tooting recently No because they could of still furnished the 413 by converting the rest of the 355 to WHV’s which would of only needed inserts for the WS’s on the 413 (good to see the 80 go double deck though). TfL monitor flows rather than particular routes which hinders the 355
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Post by tbe21 on Jun 6, 2021 20:20:22 GMT
There are some, but they are either really old or really unknown
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 6, 2021 20:38:17 GMT
Is there even anything hindering full DD 355? Not enough buses? I'm sure TfL would be aware of the buses getting full by hardly the third stop from Brixton. Have even seen full 355s towards Brixton in Tooting recently No because they could of still furnished the 413 by converting the rest of the 355 to WHV’s which would of only needed inserts for the WS’s on the 413 (good to see the 80 go double deck though). TfL monitor flows rather than particular routes which hinders the 355 From what's been mentioned about the 355 being overcrowded, I expect converting this to DD would be far more urgent than the 80. Don't know how busy the 80 gets, but perhaps this conversion is more for future proofing when demand grows for Sutton Hospital. Converting the route might not be necessary until it gets cut back from the prison. The 355 also seems logical with the temporary part allocation of DDs. A full conversion would allow these 3-4 WHVs to return to the 119, and withdraw the older Es currently being used. These WSs could perhaps later swap to the S1 when it will need longer vehicles, with the 413 instead using SEs, mostly from the 455's batch (which had been new to the 413).
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 6, 2021 20:45:32 GMT
From what I have heard and do not take my word for it, is the vehicles from the 507 & 521 cuts will go to Routes 360 & 444 with the vehicles from those routes going to Route W15 which are 10.8m. Route 153 possibly moving to RA to replace the lost work. Judging from vjaska’s comments saying Routes 360 & 444 can take full sized single deckers I wouldn’t be surprised if this does happen. Do you think the 360 could be a contender to move to RA instead especially if it does indeed receive some of the 507 & 521 SEe’s as then that would keep as many as possible at one garage? Assuming that Go Ahead choose to keep RA open following the 507/521 cuts, I expect the SEe cascade will involve something moving into RA to fill the space. Could be one of the following scenarios: a) Route 214 converts to 12m SEes, requiring changes made to the stand arrangements at Highgate Village. The 214 would transfer to RA keeping a common fleet of the batch, and might be better located to run the route than from NP. b) 12m SEes split between routes 153 and 360, with both moving to RA. Though note sure if the longer length would fit around the 153. c) As previously suggested, 12m SEes split between the 360 and 444, which are already proven to fit this length. Route 360 moving to RA, with some SEes moving to NP. Options b or c could also involve the 214 if needed to release 10.2m to tje W15. I could also see the 521's part allocation at Q moving to RA, and possibly RA operating the 507's weekend service. Previously thought route 100 would be useful to move to RA, being better located than Q - however probably makes sense to remain for a common fleet of the shorter length since the 484 gain.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 6, 2021 21:08:42 GMT
Do you think the 360 could be a contender to move to RA instead especially if it does indeed receive some of the 507 & 521 SEe’s as then that would keep as many as possible at one garage? Assuming that Go Ahead choose to keep RA open following the 507/521 cuts, I expect the SEe cascade will involve something moving into RA to fill the space. Could be one of the following scenarios: a) Route 214 converts to 12m SEes, requiring changes made to the stand arrangements at Highgate Village. The 214 would transfer to RA keeping a common fleet of the batch, and might be better located to run the route than from NP. b) 12m SEes split between routes 153 and 360, with both moving to RA. Though note sure if the longer length would fit around the 153. c) As previously suggested, 12m SEes split between the 360 and 444, which are already proven to fit this length. Route 360 moving to RA, with some SEes moving to NP. Options b or c could also involve the 214 if needed to release 10.2m to tje W15. I could also see the 521's part allocation at Q moving to RA, and possibly RA operating the 507's weekend service. Previously thought route 100 would be useful to move to RA, being better located than Q - however probably makes sense to remain for a common fleet of the shorter length since the 484 gain. Most of option A isn’t happening - they were meant to make changes a few years back but abandoned the proposal so think it’s fair to say that can be ruled out. I don’t think it would move to RA either but that at least would be far more likely than the terminus being redesigned. Option B I’m not sure if the 153 can take longer buses - if I had to guess, I’d say no. Option C certainly is viable and looks the most likely
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Post by danorak on Jun 6, 2021 21:16:16 GMT
Assuming that Go Ahead choose to keep RA open following the 507/521 cuts, I expect the SEe cascade will involve something moving into RA to fill the space. Could be one of the following scenarios: a) Route 214 converts to 12m SEes, requiring changes made to the stand arrangements at Highgate Village. The 214 would transfer to RA keeping a common fleet of the batch, and might be better located to run the route than from NP. b) 12m SEes split between routes 153 and 360, with both moving to RA. Though note sure if the longer length would fit around the 153. c) As previously suggested, 12m SEes split between the 360 and 444, which are already proven to fit this length. Route 360 moving to RA, with some SEes moving to NP. Options b or c could also involve the 214 if needed to release 10.2m to tje W15. I could also see the 521's part allocation at Q moving to RA, and possibly RA operating the 507's weekend service. Previously thought route 100 would be useful to move to RA, being better located than Q - however probably makes sense to remain for a common fleet of the shorter length since the 484 gain. Most of option A isn’t happening - they were meant to make changes a few years back but abandoned the proposal so think it’s fair to say that can be ruled out. I don’t think it would move to RA either but that at least would be far more likely than the terminus being redesigned. Option B I’m not sure if the 153 can take longer buses - if I had to guess, I’d say no. Option C certainly is viable and looks the most likely I'd imagine they'd want to try and keep any cascade as simple as possible and limit the number of moves if they can. I suppose they'll be looking to upseat any SEes that are moved off the 507/521. It would be surprising if the 521 part allocation didn't move to RA but I could see RA remaining closed at weekends & other vehicles being used on the 507 as a consequence, like when they used SRs from GB.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 6, 2021 21:37:58 GMT
Most of option A isn’t happening - they were meant to make changes a few years back but abandoned the proposal so think it’s fair to say that can be ruled out. I don’t think it would move to RA either but that at least would be far more likely than the terminus being redesigned. Option B I’m not sure if the 153 can take longer buses - if I had to guess, I’d say no. Option C certainly is viable and looks the most likely I'd imagine they'd want to try and keep any cascade as simple as possible and limit the number of moves if they can. I suppose they'll be looking to upseat any SEes that are moved off the 507/521. It would be surprising if the 521 part allocation didn't move to RA but I could see RA remaining closed at weekends & other vehicles being used on the 507 as a consequence, like when they used SRs from GB. If the 360 coverted to 12m buses there may just be enough spare to cover the 507 at weekends.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 6, 2021 22:07:27 GMT
Most of option A isn’t happening - they were meant to make changes a few years back but abandoned the proposal so think it’s fair to say that can be ruled out. I don’t think it would move to RA either but that at least would be far more likely than the terminus being redesigned. Option B I’m not sure if the 153 can take longer buses - if I had to guess, I’d say no. Option C certainly is viable and looks the most likely I'd imagine they'd want to try and keep any cascade as simple as possible and limit the number of moves if they can. I suppose they'll be looking to upseat any SEes that are moved off the 507/521. It would be surprising if the 521 part allocation didn't move to RA but I could see RA remaining closed at weekends & other vehicles being used on the 507 as a consequence, like when they used SRs from GB. However, if anything else moves to RA, the weekend service for that route will need to be accounted for as well.
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Post by Gellico on Jun 7, 2021 0:55:09 GMT
From what I have heard and do not take my word for it, is the vehicles from the 507 & 521 cuts will go to Routes 360 & 444 with the vehicles from those routes going to Route W15 which are 10.8m. Route 153 possibly moving to RA to replace the lost work. Judging from vjaska’s comments saying Routes 360 & 444 can take full sized single deckers I wouldn’t be surprised if this does happen. Do you think the 360 could be a contender to move to RA instead especially if it does indeed receive some of the 507 & 521 SEe’s as then that would keep as many as possible at one garage? I believe part of the logic of moving the 153 or 214 into RA rather than the 100 or 360 is down to space demands at NP which is continually growing.
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Post by COBO on Jun 7, 2021 2:00:29 GMT
Do you think the 360 could be a contender to move to RA instead especially if it does indeed receive some of the 507 & 521 SEe’s as then that would keep as many as possible at one garage? I believe part of the logic of moving the 153 or 214 into RA rather than the 100 or 360 is down to space demands at NP which is continually growing. I guess that RA would be a lot closer to the route to 214 than NP is.
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Post by COBO on Jun 7, 2021 2:13:38 GMT
What would the 507’s and 521’s PVR be cut to?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 7, 2021 2:20:54 GMT
What would the 507’s and 521’s PVR be cut to? 25 or 26 buses would be freed up (currently 51 buses at RA so half that is 25.5) so possibly the 521 drops from 34 buses including spares to 17 and the 507 from 17 including spares to 9 - these are only guesses based on 25 buses being freed up
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Post by dashing0ne on Jun 7, 2021 6:08:48 GMT
I'm glad they will be confertable! But the handrails look ugly just like the OMEs on the 134 I wish they was the same as other types. Most ugly though is the back window, so...
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Post by dashing0ne on Jun 7, 2021 6:17:03 GMT
No because they could of still furnished the 413 by converting the rest of the 355 to WHV’s which would of only needed inserts for the WS’s on the 413 (good to see the 80 go double deck though). TfL monitor flows rather than particular routes which hinders the 355 From what's been mentioned about the 355 being overcrowded, I expect converting this to DD would be far more urgent than the 80. Don't know how busy the 80 gets, but perhaps this conversion is more for future proofing when demand grows for Sutton Hospital. Converting the route might not be necessary until it gets cut back from the prison. The 355 also seems logical with the temporary part allocation of DDs. A full conversion would allow these 3-4 WHVs to return to the 119, and withdraw the older Es currently being used. These WSs could perhaps later swap to the S1 when it will need longer vehicles, with the 413 instead using SEs, mostly from the 455's batch (which had been new to the 413). 413 could use the OM's.
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