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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 18, 2021 17:45:35 GMT
Route 118 yes but for Sutton tenders I predict electrification. I think electrification for Sutton will depend on how well the overhead charging on the 132 goes. I don’t believe A will have the space for wall charging as it’s an awkward and rather tight layout. They could also utilise external overhead charging on the Bushey Road stands if needed. So the 132 Will not be conventionally plugged in but take power from the pantograph above. I thought they were just for extra power whilst on route.
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Post by dashing0ne on Jun 18, 2021 18:51:21 GMT
I think electrification for Sutton will depend on how well the overhead charging on the 132 goes. I don’t believe A will have the space for wall charging as it’s an awkward and rather tight layout. They could also utilise external overhead charging on the Bushey Road stands if needed. Perhaps A will need to reduce the total PVR if there are space issues following electrification. One option could be to move to 93 to AL in exchange for a lower PVR route such as the 164 or 280. Or move a night route to A such as the N44, but would need to be covered by electrics. Also note that the 213 is not up for tender with the rest of the routes, and though unlikely, Go Ahead may not retain all of the routes. The 163 and 164 are in the same tranche, so I wonder if either of these could convert to DDs for the next contract? 1. There will probably will be PVR reduction to routes. 2. Can use pantographs to help with space 3. The 213 could be converted later or early if tender result given. 4. Hopefully, the 163 and 164 are converted to double deck, conventinetly with electrics, for speculation I wonder say they get new electric double decks would they get Ee's or Me's?
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 18, 2021 19:17:10 GMT
I think electrification for Sutton will depend on how well the overhead charging on the 132 goes. I don’t believe A will have the space for wall charging as it’s an awkward and rather tight layout. They could also utilise external overhead charging on the Bushey Road stands if needed. So the 132 Will not be conventionally plugged in but take power from the pantograph above. I thought they were just for extra power whilst on route. Overhead charging is so much quicker as you can use higher voltages. You can probably get a full charge in 30 minutes from a pantograph, so would most probably need a fraction on the number of rigs, as one pantograph could charge a number of vehicles per night.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 18, 2021 19:25:21 GMT
So the 132 Will not be conventionally plugged in but take power from the pantograph above. I thought they were just for extra power whilst on route. Overhead charging is so much quicker as you can use higher voltages. You can probably get a full charge in 30 minutes from a pantograph, so would most probably need a fraction on the number of rigs, as one pantograph could charge a number of vehicles per night. Although there is the question as to what the voltage will be when in the garage, while the high voltage is good for trains which use the electricity without storing it, buses store them in batteries and high voltages continuously damage the battery. I wonder if the voltage given out by these pantographs can be varies, where a computer is given a "Target time" for a bus to be charged by and the most appropriate voltage then used.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 18, 2021 19:27:46 GMT
Overhead charging is so much quicker as you can use higher voltages. You can probably get a full charge in 30 minutes from a pantograph, so would most probably need a fraction on the number of rigs, as one pantograph could charge a number of vehicles per night. Although there is the question as to what the voltage will be when in the garage, while the high voltage is good for trains which use the electricity without storing it, buses store them in batteries and high voltages continuously damage the battery. I wonder if the voltage given out by these pantographs can be varies, where a computer is given a "Target time" for a bus to be charged by and the most appropriate voltage then used. 30 minute charging seems to be pretty standard. The UK based Volvo's achieve this.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 18, 2021 20:10:52 GMT
Alternatively, the MHVs plus the WHVs off the 93/154 are used for the 151 and 154, the 80 retains the WHVs coming to it soon and just the 93 and 213 get new and the 118 uses hybrids from Central reductions (40, 42, 188, 343 etc could all be on line to drop 1 or 2 bph).
Like I said before this is a tender set I really can't call. On one hand it's best chance to convert an entire depot over a 6 to 12 month period but on the other hand tfl have savings to make and would be open to any existing bus bids.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 18, 2021 23:15:47 GMT
Think there's an argument for the 320 to receive weekend 24 hour service when that starts back up again. Biggin Hill is currently unserved by any night route.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 18, 2021 23:52:05 GMT
Think there's an argument for the 320 to receive weekend 24 hour service when that starts back up again. Biggin Hill is currently unserved by any night route. Does the 320 really need a night service?
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 19, 2021 0:19:43 GMT
Have heard that 7 Me's should enter service from Monday. (From Facebook from a GAL manager)
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Post by dashing0ne on Jun 19, 2021 7:19:24 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Jun 19, 2021 12:34:27 GMT
Are the SEs due for Merton's 413 temporary?
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 19, 2021 12:55:49 GMT
Are the SEs due for Merton's 413 temporary? I think I'm right in saying that the 413's allocation will be SE268-SE273 and SEN30-SEN33 (from route 80) as the 200's WHV's are now in the process of moving to Sutton. They should be permanent, haven't heard any suggestion that there's new buses on the way.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 19, 2021 12:57:04 GMT
Have heard that 7 Me's should enter service from Monday. (From Facebook from a GAL manager) That would make sense as it would release the remainder of WHV71-80 to Sutton.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 19, 2021 13:24:07 GMT
Are the SEs due for Merton's 413 temporary? I think I'm right in saying that the 413's allocation will be SE268-SE273 and SEN30-SEN33 (from route 80) as the 200's WHV's are now in the process of moving to Sutton. They should be permanent, haven't heard any suggestion that there's new buses on the way. I think they will be permanent. SEN30-33 and just on the knuckle fot being accepted for another contract but would be too old for the 163 in 2022.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 14:00:49 GMT
I think I'm right in saying that the 413's allocation will be SE268-SE273 and SEN30-SEN33 (from route 80) as the 200's WHV's are now in the process of moving to Sutton. They should be permanent, haven't heard any suggestion that there's new buses on the way. I think they will be permanent. SEN30-33 and just on the knuckle fot being accepted for another contract but would be too old for the 163 in 2022. Not really, in 2022 they will only be 11 years old. We have seen older vehicles retained like on the 318 and 61 regs could remain on the 56. They could realistically do one more contract.
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