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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2022 19:01:03 GMT
From LOTS News : Route 358 (Orpington to Crystal Palace) was awarded in December 2019 for electric buses but these had been held up due to issues with infrastructure. However, Go-Ahead has now ordered 20 Irizar iE-trams for the route. No tram-tracks or with wires but buses built to look like single-deck trams!. Not sure if this is a silly question but Do these have pantograph charging on top and how do these new buses solve the problem of range regarding the 358? Couldn’t pantograph not be done on BYD single decker vehicles? The pantograph solves the problem of low range as the buses charge whilst at each end of the route rather than having to switch them out to ensure none run out of juice whilst on the road - the pantograph raises up from the bus and connects to the charger similar to this - www.route-one.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Big-story-Low-cvp-min.jpg-scaled.jpg
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Post by snowman on Jul 9, 2022 20:31:59 GMT
From LOTS News : Route 358 (Orpington to Crystal Palace) was awarded in December 2019 for electric buses but these had been held up due to issues with infrastructure. However, Go-Ahead has now ordered 20 Irizar iE-trams for the route. No tram-tracks or with wires but buses built to look like single-deck trams!. Not sure if this is a silly question but Do these have pantograph charging on top and how do these new buses solve the problem of range regarding the 358? Couldn’t pantograph not be done on BYD single decker vehicles? The pantographs are raised to fast charger units, not sure what the electrical rating is, but something like 20 times the power of the overnight plug in, so a few minutes burst at a terminus adds couple of hours operating time. I suspect someone will come along with the exact ratings The 12m Irizar ie-tram can charge at 450kw from a pantograph (roughly same power as 150 electric kettles on at same time) irizar-emobility.com/images/01-vehiculos/fichas-tecnicas/ie-tram12-m_en_2022.pdfEDIT seems there are 3 charging options, and different battery capacities (depends on customer, but don’t know what size the London order will have Slow charging 340-645 KWh battery with range 210-320km Fast charging (nano pack) 240-420 kWh range 145-210km Ultra charging (power pack version) 90-150kwh range 55-75km Details were in another Irizar download
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 9, 2022 20:42:23 GMT
From LOTS News : Route 358 (Orpington to Crystal Palace) was awarded in December 2019 for electric buses but these had been held up due to issues with infrastructure. However, Go-Ahead has now ordered 20 Irizar iE-trams for the route. No tram-tracks or with wires but buses built to look like single-deck trams!. Not sure if this is a silly question but Do these have pantograph charging on top and how do these new buses solve the problem of range regarding the 358? Couldn’t pantograph not be done on BYD single decker vehicles? BYD batteries are considered some of the worst. I read they invested in battery production, just for the method they use to be outdated. Now get more Kwh per kg, which is why other suppliers offer greater ranges.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 9, 2022 21:06:32 GMT
While that type had been suggested all along and I already know BYDs have been declared unsuitable for that route, I wish they had ordered Yutongs instead. Just out of curiosity why? Both would be a new type in London, further breaking the ADL/BYD monotony that is electric buses in London these days Because I liked my first Yutong with Go North East and a subsequent one with Cardiff. I wasn't quite as endeared by the First Leeds or Newport ones though.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 9, 2022 21:26:55 GMT
Looks like a potential issue with the electric buses on the 69! Lots of buses came off service around 9pm and now WHV69 and EH152 are out for the night service! Maybe a charging issue? Edit WHV 64 now out. EH137 out on the 69. Not sure what’s changed for the night service to be using hybrids?
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Post by portman227 on Jul 10, 2022 1:12:15 GMT
Not sure if this is a silly question but Do these have pantograph charging on top and how do these new buses solve the problem of range regarding the 358? Couldn’t pantograph not be done on BYD single decker vehicles? The pantograph solves the problem of low range as the buses charge whilst at each end of the route rather than having to switch them out to ensure none run out of juice whilst on the road - the pantograph raises up from the bus and connects to the charger similar to this - www.route-one.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Big-story-Low-cvp-min.jpg-scaled.jpgThis pantograph system seems really neat and ideally should have been from the start, it’s perfect for a route like 358. I assume the 358 electrics will have their own designated stand that no other bus can use?
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Post by portman227 on Jul 10, 2022 1:14:46 GMT
Not sure if this is a silly question but Do these have pantograph charging on top and how do these new buses solve the problem of range regarding the 358? Couldn’t pantograph not be done on BYD single decker vehicles? The pantographs are raised to fast charger units, not sure what the electrical rating is, but something like 20 times the power of the overnight plug in, so a few minutes burst at a terminus adds couple of hours operating time. I suspect someone will come along with the exact ratings The 12m Irizar ie-tram can charge at 450kw from a pantograph (roughly same power as 150 electric kettles on at same time) irizar-emobility.com/images/01-vehiculos/fichas-tecnicas/ie-tram12-m_en_2022.pdfEDIT seems there are 3 charging options, and different battery capacities (depends on customer, but don’t know what size the London order will have Slow charging 340-645 KWh battery with range 210-320km Fast charging (nano pack) 240-420 kWh range 145-210km Ultra charging (power pack version) 90-150kwh range 55-75km Details were in another Irizar download This is very informative thank you very much for this, 450kw is a serious amount of power charging capabilities considering most cars can only do it at 100-150kwh.
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Post by portman227 on Jul 10, 2022 1:18:13 GMT
Not sure if this is a silly question but Do these have pantograph charging on top and how do these new buses solve the problem of range regarding the 358? Couldn’t pantograph not be done on BYD single decker vehicles? BYD batteries are considered some of the worst. I read they invested in battery production, just for the method they use to be outdated. Now get more Kwh per kg, which is why other suppliers offer greater ranges. It seems to be BYD have become a standardisation type for all operators and the unwillingness to look for other vehicle type with better range. The Caetanos should be another common alternative to operators in London as they seen to be doing very well at the moment.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 10, 2022 5:33:12 GMT
BYD batteries are considered some of the worst. I read they invested in battery production, just for the method they use to be outdated. Now get more Kwh per kg, which is why other suppliers offer greater ranges. It seems to be BYD have become a standardisation type for all operators and the unwillingness to look for other vehicle type with better range. The Caetanos should be another common alternative to operators in London as they seen to be doing very well at the moment. Unfortunately that is the reality of 21st century London buses. Operators will standardise because it cost them a hell of a lot less in parts, driver training and chargers. Abellio is the odd man out because they’ve either got great deals or it is out of necessity, given the difficulties of the 111/322 in vehicles. If the 111 wasn’t such a demanding route they likely would have ordered E400EV and if Caetano made a suitable vehicle for the 322 they likely would have ordered that but they weren’t able to.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 10, 2022 8:09:19 GMT
Not sure if this is a silly question but Do these have pantograph charging on top and how do these new buses solve the problem of range regarding the 358? Couldn’t pantograph not be done on BYD single decker vehicles? BYD batteries are considered some of the worst. I read they invested in battery production, just for the method they use to be outdated. Now get more Kwh per kg, which is why other suppliers offer greater ranges. Would imagine something is going right, Go Ahead trialled the Optare and even EL1 before planting an order for over 100 BYD buses, baring in mind this is for A mostly who don't have any electrics at all so far. There are reports Electroliners elsewhere keep running out of charge on the roads.
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Post by abellion on Jul 13, 2022 21:28:31 GMT
E61 has been on the 163, 164 and 200 today at different times. Would be funny if it went on the 57N in 2 hours or so
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Post by london23 on Jul 13, 2022 21:33:27 GMT
Do you know if EN28-48 except EN33 and 37 because they have been scrapped are they on lease or were they bought by Go-ahead Do you know if EH195 and 213 will return to Newcross when the 119 gets its electric buses as they random and WHV167 will probably go to Merton to join WHV165 and 166.
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Post by lb99 on Jul 13, 2022 22:29:25 GMT
Do you know if EN28-48 except EN33 and 37 because they have been scrapped are they on lease or were they bought by Go-ahead Do you know if EH195 and 213 will return to Newcross when the 119 gets its electric buses as they random and WHV167 will probably go to Merton to join WHV165 and 166. EN28-48 I believe are bought (correct me if I’m wrong) I do wonder if some of those could be replaced by newer hybrid stock free soon.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2022 23:05:49 GMT
Do you know if EN28-48 except EN33 and 37 because they have been scrapped are they on lease or were they bought by Go-ahead Do you know if EH195 and 213 will return to Newcross when the 119 gets its electric buses as they random and WHV167 will probably go to Merton to join WHV165 and 166. The 119 won't be receiving a full electric allocation (I think the tender specified three existing hybrid double deckers alongside the new electrics) so those buses you mention may end up staying
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 6:38:49 GMT
Might be some disruption to services from River Road today.
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