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Post by londonbuses on Apr 27, 2024 11:51:45 GMT
What will happen to the Streetlites from the 39 alloc? They were never intended for the P4. If I am honest I recon they'll be withdrawn. Your probably right, but I do hope they put them on the 493 as the additional capacity will help. AL could end up having no Enviro 200s quite soon if this happened as the 485 is up for tender at the moment and will probably get new electrics (and the 470 is at GM).
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Post by adl on Apr 27, 2024 11:54:44 GMT
They were never intended for the P4. If I am honest I recon they'll be withdrawn. Your probably right, but I do hope they put them on the 493 as the additional capacity will help. AL could end up having no Enviro 200s quite soon if this happened as the 485 is up for tender at the moment and will probably get new electrics (and the 470 is at GM). The 493 is up for tender soon as well, I really would not get your hopes up, I feel that we will see the end of the WS before the SEs.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 27, 2024 12:01:01 GMT
Your probably right, but I do hope they put them on the 493 as the additional capacity will help. AL could end up having no Enviro 200s quite soon if this happened as the 485 is up for tender at the moment and will probably get new electrics (and the 470 is at GM). The 493 is up for tender soon as well, I really would not get your hopes up, I feel that we will see the end of the WS before the SEs. The 493's new contract doesn't start until April 2026 I believe, so it's still a while yet. Regardless of whatever happens now, I really hope it gets 10.9m SEes on its new tender and doesn't get stuck with another set of 10.2m buses like the 152 has.
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Post by borneobus on Apr 27, 2024 12:03:01 GMT
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Post by borneobus on Apr 27, 2024 12:31:26 GMT
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Post by aleed on Apr 27, 2024 12:39:59 GMT
Kudos to them, they finally got through whatever was causing issues and what not, and perhaps the 325, 396 and 101 will be electrified soon!
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2024 12:43:50 GMT
What will happen to the Streetlites from the 39 alloc? They were never intended for the P4. If I am honest I recon they'll be withdrawn. They were actually at one point but as ever, plans can change
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2024 15:07:13 GMT
So I did go and ride the P4 today with one end to end journey each way: Boarded SE277 at Brixton after a 10 minute wait and it’s refreshing to have a decent Enviro 200 after the garbage (minus the MMC strays) the route has had. Not only is leg room satisfactory, the bus was in a decent condition both interior wise and mechanically unlike most of the ex ELBG crap. Also, no regulation either - took about 55 minutes to Lewisham Station due to traffic on the A205. After grabbing a meal for a bit and picking up a drink at Costa, walked back to Lewisham Station and specifically waited for a 61 reg SE seeing as they’re temporary. After a 20 minute wait and letting a 65 reg SE go, SE135 arrived at the stop despite seemingly stuck in 1st momentarily when leaving the alighting point at Lewisham Station where it had been parked. That issue was resolved after that but the bus was as bad as the ELBG crap - poor up inclines, had a bad smell & not as comfortable as SE277 was. The journey was much slower and regulation did occur on a few occasions, particularly from Loughborough Junction to Brixton but there was two eventful moments - at Brockley Rise, the driver joined the wrong lane presumably as he thought he had to go via the 172 & P12 which is only for Lewisham bound P4’s but at the last minute he corrected it and turned right, albeit from the wrong lane and was beeped by several drivers sitting in the right lane - presumably they thought he was queue jumping rather than simply muddling up. The second moment was in Brixton where the driver missed the turn for Gresham Road and proceeded to run via Coldharbour Lane, serve the Electric Lane stop and then alight at St Matthews Church (the 3, 37, 196 stop specifically) which selfishly actually benefits me as it leaves me closer to my house. I spoke to him afterwards and he said he was new to the route which I figured but he thanked me for letting him know what way to go. SE122 - flic.kr/p/2pMJRYzSE277 - flic.kr/p/2pMGYUK
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Post by abellion on Apr 27, 2024 15:22:47 GMT
So I did go and ride the P4 today with one end to end journey each way: Boarded SE277 at Brixton after a 10 minute wait and it’s refreshing to have a decent Enviro 200 after the garbage (minus the MMC strays) the route has had. Not only is leg room satisfactory, the bus was in a decent condition both interior wise and mechanically unlike most of the ex ELBG crap. Also, no regulation either - took about 55 minutes to Lewisham Station due to traffic on the A205. After grabbing a meal for a bit and picking up a drink at Costa, walked back to Lewisham Station and specifically waited for a 61 reg SE seeing as they’re temporary. After a 20 minute wait and letting a 65 reg SE go, SE135 arrived at the stop despite seemingly stuck in 1st momentarily when leaving the alighting point at Lewisham Station where it had been parked. That issue was resolved after that but the bus was as bad as the ELBG crap - poor up inclines, had a bad smell & not as comfortable as SE277 was. The journey was much slower and regulation did occur on a few occasions, particularly from Loughborough Junction to Brixton but there was two eventful moments - at Brockley Rise, the driver joined the wrong lane presumably as he thought he had to go via the 172 & P12 which is only for Lewisham bound P4’s but at the last minute he corrected it and turned right, albeit from the wrong lane and was beeped by several drivers sitting in the right lane - presumably they thought he was queue jumping rather than simply muddling up. The second moment was in Brixton where the driver missed the turn for Gresham Road and proceeded to run via Coldharbour Lane, serve the Electric Lane stop and then alight at St Matthews Church (the 3, 37, 196 stop specifically) which selfishly actually benefits me as it leaves me closer to my house. I spoke to him afterwards and he said he was new to the route which I figured but he thanked me for letting him know what way to go. SE122 - flic.kr/p/2pMJRYzSE277 - flic.kr/p/2pMGYUKI'm very jealous that those lovely 65regs didn't end up on the 493, although I didn't expect that to happen anyway. If only the P13 could get an upgrade from its horridly slow Enviro200s too!! Why are Lewisham P4s looping around Brockley Rise? It gets stuck in queues from the same set of lights twice now which is quite annoying for changing buses and adds to the delays.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2024 16:10:27 GMT
So I did go and ride the P4 today with one end to end journey each way: Boarded SE277 at Brixton after a 10 minute wait and it’s refreshing to have a decent Enviro 200 after the garbage (minus the MMC strays) the route has had. Not only is leg room satisfactory, the bus was in a decent condition both interior wise and mechanically unlike most of the ex ELBG crap. Also, no regulation either - took about 55 minutes to Lewisham Station due to traffic on the A205. After grabbing a meal for a bit and picking up a drink at Costa, walked back to Lewisham Station and specifically waited for a 61 reg SE seeing as they’re temporary. After a 20 minute wait and letting a 65 reg SE go, SE135 arrived at the stop despite seemingly stuck in 1st momentarily when leaving the alighting point at Lewisham Station where it had been parked. That issue was resolved after that but the bus was as bad as the ELBG crap - poor up inclines, had a bad smell & not as comfortable as SE277 was. The journey was much slower and regulation did occur on a few occasions, particularly from Loughborough Junction to Brixton but there was two eventful moments - at Brockley Rise, the driver joined the wrong lane presumably as he thought he had to go via the 172 & P12 which is only for Lewisham bound P4’s but at the last minute he corrected it and turned right, albeit from the wrong lane and was beeped by several drivers sitting in the right lane - presumably they thought he was queue jumping rather than simply muddling up. The second moment was in Brixton where the driver missed the turn for Gresham Road and proceeded to run via Coldharbour Lane, serve the Electric Lane stop and then alight at St Matthews Church (the 3, 37, 196 stop specifically) which selfishly actually benefits me as it leaves me closer to my house. I spoke to him afterwards and he said he was new to the route which I figured but he thanked me for letting him know what way to go. SE122 - flic.kr/p/2pMJRYzSE277 - flic.kr/p/2pMGYUKI'm very jealous that those lovely 65regs didn't end up on the 493, although I didn't expect that to happen anyway. If only the P13 could get an upgrade from its horridly slow Enviro200s too!! Why are Lewisham P4s looping around Brockley Rise? It gets stuck in queues from the same set of lights twice now which is quite annoying for changing buses and adds to the delays. Yeah, I don't like those examples either - miss the lovely MMC's it had. They loop around because the left turn is very tight in a 10.8m bus - it can absolutely be done safely as they used to do it on a regular basis but presumably, TfL have deemed it unsuitable now and it does add a couple of minutes heading to Lewisham, particularly if you caught behind something on the Brockley Rise loop. Interestingly, despite being seemingly made permanent, there is still a diversion board up to let drivers know which way to go.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 27, 2024 18:30:06 GMT
Following the loss of the 379 and reduction in the PVR of route 470, do GAL have some spare short wheelbase single deckers, or have they withdrawn some of them? The 434 probably needs one extra following its extension, but could GAL winning route K5 on a 3 year contract with such vehicles be on the cards?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2024 18:42:00 GMT
Following the loss of the 379 and reduction in the PVR of route 470, do GAL have some spare short wheelbase single deckers, or have they withdrawn some of them? The 434 probably needs one extra following its extension, but could GAL winning route K5 on a 3 year contract with such vehicles be on the cards? S1 is currently taking up 4x short dual door buses (1x 11 plate, 3x 15 plate, 9.4m?) which can be replaced by LWB E200s from various routes, 470 has 2x spare 8.9m Enviro200s(15 plate) The 11 reg from the S1 could go onto the 463 and then one of the short SENs can go on the 434 until its contract expires (Aug/Sept 25) releasing SE240 (15 plate 8.9m)
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 27, 2024 18:50:58 GMT
Following the loss of the 379 and reduction in the PVR of route 470, do GAL have some spare short wheelbase single deckers, or have they withdrawn some of them? The 434 probably needs one extra following its extension, but could GAL winning route K5 on a 3 year contract with such vehicles be on the cards? The 434 already has taken one as a spare - SE240. I wouldn't be surprised if SE241 and SE242 follow to C replacing the two SEN's.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 27, 2024 19:04:37 GMT
Following the loss of the 379 and reduction in the PVR of route 470, do GAL have some spare short wheelbase single deckers, or have they withdrawn some of them? The 434 probably needs one extra following its extension, but could GAL winning route K5 on a 3 year contract with such vehicles be on the cards? S1 is currently taking up 4x short dual door buses (1x 11 plate, 3x 15 plate, 9.4m?) which can be replaced by LWB E200s from various routes, 470 has 2x spare 8.9m Enviro200s(15 plate) The 11 reg from the S1 could go onto the 463 and then one of the short SENs can go on the 434 until its contract expires (Aug/Sept 25) releasing SE240 (15 plate 8.9m) Additionally SE243-245 are spare at MB, so they could move over to AL/GM and SE235-245 could form a joint allocation between the 470 (PVR 4) and K5 (PVR 6), with the two routes sharing a spare bus.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 27, 2024 19:13:15 GMT
With RR going electric it got me thinking about the 101. I wonder if there is any benefit in the route moving to DS when it goes electric to share a common fleet with the 262, 473 and 129, SL4 (If they are being run from DS).
I know the benefits are probably minimal so probably won't happen.
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