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Post by southlondon413 on May 21, 2024 15:29:17 GMT
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Post by kmkcheng on May 21, 2024 15:32:08 GMT
Its battery with a capacity of 457 kWh provides a provisional range of 640 km(398 miles). Note: Further testing is to be undertaken in the UK before an official mileage range is presented by BYD to potential clients. BYD is ready to offer a cheaper and smaller battery, as London buses usually travel from 160 to 320 km per day. Depending on the battery capacity chosen, it will have up to a capacity of 90. It is 10.9m in length and has a wheel base of 5.44m. It is now on the website.  Not the worst looking bus but it appears to have had a bit too much collagen👄 |
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Post by mb171 on May 21, 2024 15:38:30 GMT
MHV67 was out on the 486 earlier, now on the 601.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 21, 2024 15:49:57 GMT
I Actually think it's bad , shouldn't British business be supporting British Manufacturing ? Surely ADL could come to some agreement to cut costs ? But from a Company perspective makes a lot of sense 100K on a vehicle is a big saving over a number of vehicles and they are in effect just cutting out the middle man ADL , be interesting to see what new vehicles they have on offer to rival the ADL products . And hopefully Sadiq comes up with some partnership to retrofit Electric units to the LTs so we can have the Electric London Icon carry on beyond 2030 on our roads 😉 I think it's a catch 22 effectively. ADL are going to need to make a profit, and with the strikes they're seeing they probably can't afford to budge much on prices at least in the short term. As a result they lose a big customer to someone who will reduce prices. No UK labour means no expensive labour to spend money on, ultimately reducing bid costs and the money which TfL pay out, which in turn means the money can be used elsewhere within TfL so a win for Londoners. But yes it's a massive loss for British manufacturing. However it does show that constantly striking and behaving like companies have unlimited money to meet demands will have consequences which now in a worst case scenario could actually cost jobs themselves. We know Go Ahead is planning to seemingly make the switch to a BYD integral as opposed to the ADL integral, but we're still waiting on multiple bus orders too like the 257 and 90 which could even possible go BYDs way too. Going back to the 70's one of the reasons why the British motor industry was flushed down the toilet. Strikes galore and a poor product. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 21, 2024 15:52:50 GMT
For people asking for the picture of the BYD Integral, I believe this is the 'BYD eBus BD11' The front lower treatment looks crap, just like the initial BYD decker that was running on route 7 I think |
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Post by M1104 on May 21, 2024 16:03:25 GMT
Its battery with a capacity of 457 kWh provides a provisional range of 640 km(398 miles). Note: Further testing is to be undertaken in the UK before an official mileage range is presented by BYD to potential clients. It is 10.9m in length and has a wheel base of 5.44m. With the official length revealed it's unlikely routes like the 22 and 88 will gain this model....perhaps also the 131 |
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Post by allentc on May 21, 2024 16:09:00 GMT
I think it's a catch 22 effectively. ADL are going to need to make a profit, and with the strikes they're seeing they probably can't afford to budge much on prices at least in the short term. As a result they lose a big customer to someone who will reduce prices. No UK labour means no expensive labour to spend money on, ultimately reducing bid costs and the money which TfL pay out, which in turn means the money can be used elsewhere within TfL so a win for Londoners. But yes it's a massive loss for British manufacturing. However it does show that constantly striking and behaving like companies have unlimited money to meet demands will have consequences which now in a worst case scenario could actually cost jobs themselves. We know Go Ahead is planning to seemingly make the switch to a BYD integral as opposed to the ADL integral, but we're still waiting on multiple bus orders too like the 257 and 90 which could even possible go BYDs way too. Going back to the 70's one of the reasons why the British motor industry was flushed down the toilet. Strikes galore and a poor product. Its long been suspected that the Chinese government are heavily subsidizing their electric vehicle industry so much so that the EU Commission are looking into it:
If so, that creates an unfair advantage and we should move to protect our own industry (and jobs).
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Post by cl54 on May 21, 2024 16:10:37 GMT
I don't like that the rear route number display takes up a lot of the upper deck window.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 21, 2024 16:10:37 GMT
Last time I checked india / China were all growing at 5-7% (with gdp above covid levels) while we are struggling to achieve anything north of 1%. Plus they can always rely on massive domestic markets Chinas GDP may have grown but it was far below expectations by investors and analysts across the world. They have an ageing population which shrunk for the second year in a row in 2023 and the growth was mostly driven by domestic demand as opposed to international. You only have to look at the large-scale property downturn to see China is not doing as well as you think. The Chinese government is essentially backing the economy up and there are major concerns its growth won’t be sustainable for 2024. India has the same challenges, so GDP growth doesn’t present the whole picture. The GDP growth in the UK might be considerably lower but our economy is far more resilient to changes in consumer habits and manufacturing orders. The same goes for the UK with a high ageing population, I do not see the point. |
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2024 16:14:13 GMT
Its battery with a capacity of 457 kWh provides a provisional range of 640 km(398 miles). Note: Further testing is to be undertaken in the UK before an official mileage range is presented by BYD to potential clients. It is 10.9m in length and has a wheel base of 5.44m. With the official length revealed it's unlikely routes like the 22 and 88 will gain this model....perhaps also the 131 What would stop the 131? The 333 is receiving 10.9m Ee's so Tooting should be ok. |
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Post by mondraker275 on May 21, 2024 16:19:03 GMT
That's because it launches tomorrow at Brooklands   It just looks like a coach more than a London bus. Also is it the end to the rear lower deck windows. Lower decks are quite dark and depressing. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on May 21, 2024 16:21:16 GMT
With the official length revealed it's unlikely routes like the 22 and 88 will gain this model....perhaps also the 131 What would stop the 131? The 333 is receiving 10.9m Ee's so Tooting should be ok. Did the 22 not use 10.7 Geminis before, which would make that route likely to be fine with such vehicles too? Not sure what awkward turns there are on that route anyway, a lot of the route is covered by LTs or 10.9m BYDs (i.e. routes 11, 265, 49, 137). Is it Berkeley Square? |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 21, 2024 16:21:16 GMT
That's because it launches tomorrow at Brooklands Looks like the tried to do a cheap version of a Bova design from 20 years ago |
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Post by abellion on May 21, 2024 16:23:26 GMT
With the official length revealed it's unlikely routes like the 22 and 88 will gain this model....perhaps also the 131 What would stop the 131? The 333 is receiving 10.9m Ee's so Tooting should be ok. I’m still skeptical about longer buses with worse turning circles using Longmead Road as there have been collisions such as a WVN/HA on the 127/333 a few years ago, and the stand can get chaotic if curtailments occur on other routes like the 44/77/280 etc. which has happened lately with all of the diversions and delays, but if it’s cleared then I cant see any issues. Some tight left turns maybe but the 264 does a really tight one leaving Blackshaw Road all day every day and is yet to have issues with it |
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Post by M1104 on May 21, 2024 16:25:30 GMT
With the official length revealed it's unlikely routes like the 22 and 88 will gain this model....perhaps also the 131 What would stop the 131? The 333 is receiving 10.9m Ee's so Tooting should be ok. Hence me saying "perhaps" as elements to consider are regular left turns from Mitcham Road into Longmead Road during busier times and the amount of long wheel base buses potentially creating increased problems with general manoeuvrability. Granted the 127 had long wheel buses and the 264 (and possibly now the 57) Ees occasionally curtail there, all whilst the other buses being short wheel base examples |
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