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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 4, 2024 18:01:35 GMT
I swear the SL7 thing is a myth, especially with improving battery technology in new vehicles It was problem until recent developments in electric/battery sector in bus industry
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Post by cl54 on Jul 4, 2024 19:50:51 GMT
It is a measure to improve passenger safety so it beats me why it attracts such hostility. Whatever incident(s) that led to this design feature does not merit the removal of the seat. I have never had or seen any safety related fears due to the seat or did it ever cross my mind that there was an issue. You might as well convert all DDs to SDs to prevent injury/death due to stairs. However, at least with the latter the reasoning is known and understandable. I am 99.9% sure the latest SEe still have 5 seats at the back. The latest Ee 100% don’t. Edit: I’ve just watched half a dozen videos of new SEe, including the ones just introduced onto the 396 and they still have the middle seat at the rear. The BZL and Kite SDs at Stagecoach and Abellio don’t have the middle seat but the SEe still do. Agree. Which is why I asked. Does anyone know why there is this anomaly? It applies to all vehicles ordered in 2024. I think the SEe being delivered were ordered last year. The new ADL buses will not have the centre seats. The new specification does include safety revisions/improvements to the staircase layouts.
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 4, 2024 20:05:43 GMT
What is supposed to be the intended allocation of the 376? Vehicles from NP still have not moved, maybe they're not supposed to be and the 376 could get vehicles from the 153 instead?
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Post by WH241 on Jul 4, 2024 21:24:25 GMT
What is supposed to be the intended allocation of the 376? Vehicles from NP still have not moved, maybe they're not supposed to be and the 376 could get vehicles from the 153 instead? There are spare buses at NP that are intended to move! They have probably been held up for one reason or another.
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 4, 2024 21:51:46 GMT
What is supposed to be the intended allocation of the 376? Vehicles from NP still have not moved, maybe they're not supposed to be and the 376 could get vehicles from the 153 instead? There are spare buses at NP that are intended to move! They have probably been held up for one reason or another. Nice to know, thank you!
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Post by martynl on Jul 5, 2024 10:12:04 GMT
If the Irizar buses are problematic, couldn't GAL switch to the GB kite?The DD version runs fine on the 111 (which is similar route length to the 358) and the pantographs would no longer be needed They could but then they have a set of vehicles they are committed to and have no other purpose for, to then just buy another fleet. The buses themselves are not problematic, it is just they are more environmentally friendly having smaller batteries that rely on being charged up between journeys. I finally saw an Irizar on test in Bromley last week. Are charging points only at Crystal Palace and Orpington? Because if so what happens if a bus has to curtail- there are several points the 358 does this including Penge, Beckenham War Memorial, Elmers End Green, Orpington Walnuts Centre and Eden Park Station. Will charging points be installed here as without them buses may run out of juice.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 5, 2024 10:32:25 GMT
They could but then they have a set of vehicles they are committed to and have no other purpose for, to then just buy another fleet. The buses themselves are not problematic, it is just they are more environmentally friendly having smaller batteries that rely on being charged up between journeys. I finally saw an Irizar on test in Bromley last week. Are charging points only at Crystal Palace and Orpington? Because if so what happens if a bus has to curtail- there are several points the 358 does this including Penge, Beckenham War Memorial, Elmers End Green, Orpington Walnuts Centre and Eden Park Station. Will charging points be installed here as without them buses may run out of juice. I think there is one at the bus garage as well.
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Post by borneobus on Jul 5, 2024 10:41:15 GMT
I finally saw an Irizar on test in Bromley last week. Are charging points only at Crystal Palace and Orpington? Because if so what happens if a bus has to curtail- there are several points the 358 does this including Penge, Beckenham War Memorial, Elmers End Green, Orpington Walnuts Centre and Eden Park Station. Will charging points be installed here as without them buses may run out of juice. I think there is one at the bus garage as well. Do they require different chargers to those already at MB for Ee operating the 353?
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Post by greenboy on Jul 5, 2024 11:10:35 GMT
They could but then they have a set of vehicles they are committed to and have no other purpose for, to then just buy another fleet. The buses themselves are not problematic, it is just they are more environmentally friendly having smaller batteries that rely on being charged up between journeys. I finally saw an Irizar on test in Bromley last week. Are charging points only at Crystal Palace and Orpington? Because if so what happens if a bus has to curtail- there are several points the 358 does this including Penge, Beckenham War Memorial, Elmers End Green, Orpington Walnuts Centre and Eden Park Station. Will charging points be installed here as without them buses may run out of juice. I have seen them out and about from time to time including doing some testing (presumably?) at the Crystal Palace pantograph but it never gets any further than that. Good question about what will happen if a bus gets curtailed, I hope somebody has thought of that!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 5, 2024 11:29:38 GMT
I finally saw an Irizar on test in Bromley last week. Are charging points only at Crystal Palace and Orpington? Because if so what happens if a bus has to curtail- there are several points the 358 does this including Penge, Beckenham War Memorial, Elmers End Green, Orpington Walnuts Centre and Eden Park Station. Will charging points be installed here as without them buses may run out of juice. I have seen them out and about from time to time including doing some testing (presumably?) at the Crystal Palace pantograph but it never gets any further than that. Good question about what will happen if a bus gets curtailed, I hope somebody has thought of that! Can't the buses still do the standard 160ish or so miles a day? So a curtailment shouldn't be a huge issue unless the same bus gets curtailed 5 times or so in a row and doesn't reach either end at all.
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 5, 2024 11:31:40 GMT
I have seen them out and about from time to time including doing some testing (presumably?) at the Crystal Palace pantograph but it never gets any further than that. Good question about what will happen if a bus gets curtailed, I hope somebody has thought of that! Can't the buses still do the standard 160ish or so miles a day? So a curtailment shouldn't be a huge issue unless the same bus gets curtailed 5 times or so in a row and doesn't reach either end at all. It has smaller battery due to the overhead charging, i do think it can do a rounder or 2 before it being too low for driver to resume a trip and go back to garage to charge.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2024 11:49:19 GMT
They could but then they have a set of vehicles they are committed to and have no other purpose for, to then just buy another fleet. The buses themselves are not problematic, it is just they are more environmentally friendly having smaller batteries that rely on being charged up between journeys. I finally saw an Irizar on test in Bromley last week. Are charging points only at Crystal Palace and Orpington? Because if so what happens if a bus has to curtail- there are several points the 358 does this including Penge, Beckenham War Memorial, Elmers End Green, Orpington Walnuts Centre and Eden Park Station. Will charging points be installed here as without them buses may run out of juice. The pantograph charging points are just at Crystal Palace and Orpington, none are to be installed along the rest of the route - I’d imagine there is chargers at MB itself as well. If a bus had to curtail, I’d imagine the bus would run light to MB to charge or back the way it came and charge at the pantograph.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 5, 2024 13:06:40 GMT
There's been report that Go Ahead are to nationally adopt a five digit fleet numbering system, which could effect the four digit number system located on fuel caps of London's examples. The general bonnet numbers (and letters) are said not to be affected
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 5, 2024 14:11:10 GMT
Ee264 was spotted with a broken iBus display, supposed to be a full LCD sized one. I also noticed they don't have rear displays like other operators.
Electroliners, BZLs, Metrocities have all received either a smaller iBus display, or a reversing screen accessible for wheelchair users or whatever. Perhaps it's not mandatory for operators to get them?
+ Saw an SEe on the D3, it had a part of it damaged at the top, on the black outlines and it was covered up with black duct tape! It shows that sometimes even some new buses are disregarded and sometimes drivers need to be a bit more careful with them!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 5, 2024 15:22:22 GMT
Ee264 was spotted with a broken iBus display, supposed to be a full LCD sized one. I also noticed they don't have rear displays like other operators. Electroliners, BZLs, Metrocities have all received either a smaller iBus display, or a reversing screen accessible for wheelchair users or whatever. Perhaps it's not mandatory for operators to get them? + Saw an SEe on the D3, it had a part of it damaged at the top, on the black outlines and it was covered up with black duct tape! It shows that sometimes even some new buses are disregarded and sometimes drivers need to be a bit more careful with them! The spec is sadly very varied across all operators and even within certain operators itself. Most operators aren't specifying the longer rear displays - Transport UK does on it's double deckers, not sure if the GB Kites have them but the Metrocitys & Caetanos don't. Not all Metrocitys have the new display - a couple of the early batches with Stagecoach & Abellio have the old I-Bus screen found on older buses. In any case, it seems anything goes regarding the spec when really, it should be mandatory and uniform across all operators.
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