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Post by vjaska on Jul 15, 2024 23:24:44 GMT
By the way does anyone know whats up with the 280? Its contract starts in 5 days and no order for electrics have been announced Wouldn't matter if it had electrics, I don't think GM would be electrified, so I think the route should go back to AL and get buses ready there. Also, there are other routes like the 101 that deserve a bit more attention, I wonder why nothing has come for it yet.. We don't know whether an order has been placed or not - there have been several Go-Ahead routes previously like the 213, 366 & 376 who had no order announced publicly and it was only known when the buses actually started to be delivered from the factory. For all we know, an order for the 101, 280 and others has been placed but in any case, these are routes already with Go-Ahead and have existing vehicles that can continue until they are ready to convert so not really something to worry about IMO and if anything, it's the 151 that might be the one current worry given the age of the DOE's and the potential for their reliability to plummet in the interim. The next headache for Go-Ahead isn't until they pick up the 99, 269 & 401 and that's not till mid January next year
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 16, 2024 0:00:25 GMT
Wouldn't matter if it had electrics, I don't think GM would be electrified, so I think the route should go back to AL and get buses ready there. Also, there are other routes like the 101 that deserve a bit more attention, I wonder why nothing has come for it yet.. We don't know whether an order has been placed or not - there have been several Go-Ahead routes previously like the 213, 366 & 376 who had no order announced publicly and it was only known when the buses actually started to be delivered from the factory. For all we know, an order for the 101, 280 and others has been placed but in any case, these are routes already with Go-Ahead and have existing vehicles that can continue until they are ready to convert so not really something to worry about IMO and if anything, it's the 151 that might be the one current worry given the age of the DOE's and the potential for their reliability to plummet in the interim. The next headache for Go-Ahead isn't until they pick up the 99, 269 & 401 and that's not till mid January next year I agree with you, but the tender award for the 101 has been out for quite some time, I don't think the route has any restrictions in terms of length, whereas the 151 does have issues, there are things restricting the 151 from getting electrics, but I think there were also solutions available. Go Ahead could've ordered the Electroliners, or gotten 10.3m BYDs, but they might just wait a bit and switch to the ADL Enviro 400 Integral EV. 280 could take the 151's electrics if they aren't being used on the route anyway... though I think the only thing stopping this from happening is whether GM will be electrified, or whether the route will be transferred to a garage which is able to accommodate it.
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Post by london23 on Jul 16, 2024 7:44:42 GMT
The 200 is now almost all Double Deckers again using the spare buses from the 157 and the hybrids from the 57 as Merton have extra electrics from the 151. Do you know if the 22,101,188,280,320,321 and 473 electrics will arrive before the end of the year.
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Post by jacques on Jul 16, 2024 11:19:36 GMT
Wouldn't matter if it had electrics, I don't think GM would be electrified, so I think the route should go back to AL and get buses ready there. Also, there are other routes like the 101 that deserve a bit more attention, I wonder why nothing has come for it yet.. We don't know whether an order has been placed or not - there have been several Go-Ahead routes previously like the 213, 366 & 376 who had no order announced publicly and it was only known when the buses actually started to be delivered from the factory. For all we know, an order for the 101, 280 and others has been placed but in any case, these are routes already with Go-Ahead and have existing vehicles that can continue until they are ready to convert so not really something to worry about IMO and if anything, it's the 151 that might be the one current worry given the age of the DOE's and the potential for their reliability to plummet in the interim. The next headache for Go-Ahead isn't until they pick up the 99, 269 & 401 and that's not till mid January next year They are still well behind on the 333 which started in January and 6 months in no evidence of any electric works at SW. Makes sense to keep 280 and 131 same type as 157 and 57 for engineering reasons.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 16, 2024 11:50:19 GMT
By the way does anyone know whats up with the 280? Its contract starts in 5 days and no order for electrics have been announced Order's likely been placed without general announcement on what type they'll be and when they're due
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2024 11:53:10 GMT
We don't know whether an order has been placed or not - there have been several Go-Ahead routes previously like the 213, 366 & 376 who had no order announced publicly and it was only known when the buses actually started to be delivered from the factory. For all we know, an order for the 101, 280 and others has been placed but in any case, these are routes already with Go-Ahead and have existing vehicles that can continue until they are ready to convert so not really something to worry about IMO and if anything, it's the 151 that might be the one current worry given the age of the DOE's and the potential for their reliability to plummet in the interim. The next headache for Go-Ahead isn't until they pick up the 99, 269 & 401 and that's not till mid January next year I agree with you, but the tender award for the 101 has been out for quite some time, I don't think the route has any restrictions in terms of length, whereas the 151 does have issues, there are things restricting the 151 from getting electrics, but I think there were also solutions available. Go Ahead could've ordered the Electroliners, or gotten 10.3m BYDs, but they might just wait a bit and switch to the ADL Enviro 400 Integral EV. 280 could take the 151's electrics if they aren't being used on the route anyway... though I think the only thing stopping this from happening is whether GM will be electrified, or whether the route will be transferred to a garage which is able to accommodate it. The tender award was out for some time before we found out the orders for the three routes I mentioned so it’s no different. As for the 151, it’s clearly not as simple as “solutions were available” otherwise they would of used one of those solutions. The 10.3m BYD wasn’t available & the Electroliner was only in its infancy at the time - I believe it was also expected that the restriction at Worcester Park would be solved.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2024 11:54:40 GMT
We don't know whether an order has been placed or not - there have been several Go-Ahead routes previously like the 213, 366 & 376 who had no order announced publicly and it was only known when the buses actually started to be delivered from the factory. For all we know, an order for the 101, 280 and others has been placed but in any case, these are routes already with Go-Ahead and have existing vehicles that can continue until they are ready to convert so not really something to worry about IMO and if anything, it's the 151 that might be the one current worry given the age of the DOE's and the potential for their reliability to plummet in the interim. The next headache for Go-Ahead isn't until they pick up the 99, 269 & 401 and that's not till mid January next year They are still well behind on the 333 which started in January and 6 months in no evidence of any electric works at SW. Makes sense to keep 280 and 131 same type as 157 and 57 for engineering reasons. Presumably SW will take longer because of it’s listed status so not surprised it’s taking time to implement
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Post by vxm on Jul 17, 2024 23:19:44 GMT
B16 is getting electric buses next January alongside 99, 269 & 401.
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Post by COBO on Jul 19, 2024 9:57:03 GMT
SEe263,264,270,271 are they spares at Q or they a temporary allocation for the 355?
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Post by M1104 on Jul 19, 2024 9:59:24 GMT
SEe263,264,270,271 are they spares at Q or they a temporary allocation for the 355? They're due for the P12 at Peckham but with that shed not yet EV ready it's 355 workings for now
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 19, 2024 14:11:11 GMT
Just seen WS92 in Streatham being towed
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 20, 2024 6:26:16 GMT
The 200 is now almost all Double Deckers again using the spare buses from the 157 and the hybrids from the 57 as Merton have extra electrics from the 151. Do you know if the 22,101,188,280,320,321 and 473 electrics will arrive before the end of the year. Riding a WVL on route 200 will be a good consolation for missing out on one on route 157. It is simply too inconvenient to avoid Wimbledon in September, even though I am slightly disappointed to be missing out on a MetroDecker there. I did have a residual idea to advance my South London trip to the August Bank Holiday. However, I now know that my August day trip will be Leeds, but on Saturday 31st instead. I saw a few posts elsewhere about Electroliners with First Norwich. Well, I shall be riding one with First Leeds.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 20, 2024 6:28:34 GMT
LOTS online reports that route 485 is using SEe's normally allocated to route 152.
As those on route 152 are a different length from those on routes 163/64, I would be disappointed if it is harder to track one down on route 152.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 20, 2024 8:01:57 GMT
LOTS online reports that route 485 is using SEe's normally allocated to route 152. As those on route 152 are a different length from those on routes 163/64, I would be disappointed if it is harder to track one down on route 152. Why are they not being used on the 152?
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 20, 2024 8:03:54 GMT
LOTS online reports that route 485 is using SEe's normally allocated to route 152. As those on route 152 are a different length from those on routes 163/64, I would be disappointed if it is harder to track one down on route 152. Why are they not being used on the 152? They are being used on the 152, it’s just that AL have got a few extra spares due to having some of the P12’s allocation that can’t work the route yet
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