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Post by jacques on Jul 25, 2024 13:59:02 GMT
You can't see QB going for the 44? I think they might just get the route with new Electroliners. Could be a possibility. Go-Ahead have not been the lowest bidder for route 44/N44 in its last two tendering rounds in 2012 and 2017, so perhaps third time's the charm for Transport UK winning the route? In addition, I do think Battersea would be a better base for the route than Stockwell. Yeah I agree 44 is on the wrong side of SW. Whereas the 77 and 87 despite also being on the wrong side can be accessed easily down Lansdowne way. 44 is better of at AL rather than SW. Hopefully once Garth road is in operation it can be moved back to AL.
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Post by rm1422 on Jul 25, 2024 14:56:00 GMT
I was on one of the electric 485's at the weekend ( sorry didn't take in the number ) and while the announcements and blind were correct, the internal display was stuck showing 152 Pollards Hill. Just been on SEe280 and it's displaying 152 Pollards Hill inside while being a 485 to Castelnau.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 25, 2024 15:05:10 GMT
The 44 and 196 have the same PVR, so if they lose the 196 the E40H/MMCs could be used to bid for the 44. Arriva have a lot of spare capacity at BN/N, so could be keen to gain the 196 and 415. They were the lowest bidder last time on the 196 (but didn't have the space then), and there are just about enough spare hybrids still - could bid with the ex-78/SL1 HAs? I don't think they would operate either route from BN in any respect - if they win one of the 196 or 415 because I don't see them picking up both, I suspect they'll run from N. If I was to guess, changeovers for the 196 outside N and 415, maybe they travel on the many buses from the garage to Tulse Hill. I agree the 196 would be N - but the 415 is a similar distance from both BN and N, and BN would mean a common pool of LTs with other routes.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jul 25, 2024 15:26:49 GMT
Could be a possibility. Go-Ahead have not been the lowest bidder for route 44/N44 in its last two tendering rounds in 2012 and 2017, so perhaps third time's the charm for Transport UK winning the route? In addition, I do think Battersea would be a better base for the route than Stockwell. Yeah I agree 44 is on the wrong side of SW. Whereas the 77 and 87 despite also being on the wrong side can be accessed easily down Lansdowne way. 44 is better of at AL rather than SW. Hopefully once Garth road is in operation it can be moved back to AL. Speaking of Garth Road, are there any updates on the construction?Also which routes are planned to move in, as I think the best routes to move in would be 163,164,413, and S2. (293 can run from there if won by GAL)
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 25, 2024 15:37:51 GMT
Yeah I agree 44 is on the wrong side of SW. Whereas the 77 and 87 despite also being on the wrong side can be accessed easily down Lansdowne way. 44 is better of at AL rather than SW. Hopefully once Garth road is in operation it can be moved back to AL. Speaking of Garth Road, are there any updates on the construction?Also which routes are planned to move in, as I think the best routes to move in would be 163,164,413, and S2. (293 can run from there if won by GAL)
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 25, 2024 15:53:51 GMT
Speaking of Garth Road, are there any updates on the construction?Also which routes are planned to move in, as I think the best routes to move in would be 163,164,413, and S2. (293 can run from there if won by GAL) Like I’ve typed before it seems fairly clear Go Ahead won’t be in a position to bid for the 293. Not unless they can shove it somewhere else and there isn’t much space to accommodate it, even as a small route.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 25, 2024 16:23:45 GMT
I don't think they would operate either route from BN in any respect - if they win one of the 196 or 415 because I don't see them picking up both, I suspect they'll run from N. If I was to guess, changeovers for the 196 outside N and 415, maybe they travel on the many buses from the garage to Tulse Hill. I agree the 196 would be N - but the 415 is a similar distance from both BN and N, and BN would mean a common pool of LTs with other routes. Not everything is to do with distance. Where are you proposing drivers changeover at? Brixton is out of the question for obvious reasons and the route between Tulse Hill & BN is problematic during the day due to heavy traffic if you were thinking of moving buses back and forth. N meanwhile is not far away and drivers can easily travel from there during the day to Tulse Hill
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 25, 2024 16:24:54 GMT
Like I’ve typed before it seems fairly clear Go Ahead won’t be in a position to bid for the 293. Not unless they can shove it somewhere else and there isn’t much space to accommodate it, even as a small route. Yes I doubt Go ahead could be bothered to have to move everything around to try and fit it in. Also most RATP awards have been for 3 years so in 2.5 years time GA might be a better position to have a go for it.
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 25, 2024 16:27:57 GMT
Like I’ve typed before it seems fairly clear Go Ahead won’t be in a position to bid for the 293. Not unless they can shove it somewhere else and there isn’t much space to accommodate it, even as a small route. There is no where to. From what i've reliably heard they are being forced to leave GM sometime next year due to redevelopment so not sure what their plan is for the routes. Especially with 355 going to London General as well.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 25, 2024 16:36:48 GMT
Like I’ve typed before it seems fairly clear Go Ahead won’t be in a position to bid for the 293. Not unless they can shove it somewhere else and there isn’t much space to accommodate it, even as a small route. There is no where to. From what i've reliably heard they are being forced to leave GM sometime next year due to redevelopment so not sure what their plan is for the routes. Especially with 355 going to London General as well. 355 would most likely go into SW with the 118 going to Q.
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Post by bustler on Jul 25, 2024 17:35:47 GMT
a lot of SE'S have appeared on the 152 recently. . Not sure why, as surely this service is commissioned to run a full electric allocation?
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Post by PGAT on Jul 25, 2024 17:41:07 GMT
a lot of SE'S have appeared on the 152 recently. . Not sure why, as surely this service is commissioned to run a full electric allocation? Only SE192 is on today, presumably there aren’t enough spare SEes because they are on the 485
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 25, 2024 17:50:12 GMT
a lot of SE'S have appeared on the 152 recently. . Not sure why, as surely this service is commissioned to run a full electric allocation? Only SE192 is on today, presumably there aren’t enough spare SEes because they are on the 485 There should be, the ones on the 485 are from the P12s batch.
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Post by abellion on Jul 25, 2024 18:20:55 GMT
a lot of SE'S have appeared on the 152 recently. . Not sure why, as surely this service is commissioned to run a full electric allocation? Not just the 152. The 163, 164 (not today but still lately), 219 and 413 all have some out today and it appears to be quite regular to have low numbers of SEs on all of them. The 219 I know was allocated a few SEs beforehand and then since the SEes came they’ve been randomly using both types
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 25, 2024 18:46:03 GMT
a lot of SE'S have appeared on the 152 recently. . Not sure why, as surely this service is commissioned to run a full electric allocation? Not just the 152. The 163, 164, 219 and 413 all have some out today and it appears to be quite regular to have low numbers of SEs on all of them. The 219 I know was allocated a few SEs beforehand and then since the SEes came they’ve been randomly using both types The 164 is the only one that hasn’t had an SE out today. I suspect the issue is coming from a lot of spare SE coming off the 200 and the 493, which is now using the 10.8m examples from the 485, without homes. With the spare SEe from the P12 being utilised it seems like the PM won’t be ready for a while.
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