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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 25, 2024 19:39:47 GMT
Not just the 152. The 163, 164, 219 and 413 all have some out today and it appears to be quite regular to have low numbers of SEs on all of them. The 219 I know was allocated a few SEs beforehand and then since the SEes came they’ve been randomly using both types The 164 is the only one that hasn’t had an SE out today. I suspect the issue is coming from a lot of spare SE coming off the 200 and the 493, which is now using the 10.8m examples from the 485, without homes. With the spare SEe from the P12 being utilised it seems like the PM won’t be ready for a while. Could any of the non-electric routes at C or MB take the influx of SEs?
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 25, 2024 19:47:45 GMT
The 164 is the only one that hasn’t had an SE out today. I suspect the issue is coming from a lot of spare SE coming off the 200 and the 493, which is now using the 10.8m examples from the 485, without homes. With the spare SEe from the P12 being utilised it seems like the PM won’t be ready for a while. Could any of the non-electric routes at C or MB take the influx of SEs? Only the S1 could at Croydon to replace MetroCities. The 359 only has a PVR of 2 and one of the 450’s SEe’s now fills in if one of SEe166 or 167 aren’t available and the 434, 439, and 450 can’t take full length SE’s. On paper the 463 could but C are hesitant to put any longer buses out on it. I can only guess it failed a more stringent route test. Similar as to why nothing longer than a 10.2m E200 could go out on the 455 even though Abellio used to put 10.8m E200’s on the 455 all the time and Arriva use ENX16 on the 312 when it was the turning at Old Lodge Lane which failed the test. MB though is a different story and is slowly gathering different batches of SE’s, mainly because of Citaro unavailability. Personally I hope the rest of the ex 455 SE’s end up at MB.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 25, 2024 19:52:02 GMT
Could any of the non-electric routes at C or MB take the influx of SEs? Only the S1 could at Croydon to replace MetroCities. The 359 only has a PVR of 2 and one of the 450’s SEe’s now fills in if one of SEe166 or 167 aren’t available and the 434, 439, and 450 can’t take full length SE’s. On paper the 463 could but C are hesitant to put any longer buses out on it. I can only guess it failed a more stringent route test. Similar as to why nothing longer than a 10.2m E200 could go out on the 455 even though Abellio used to put 10.8m E200’s on the 455 all the time and Arriva use ENX16 on the 312 when it was the turning at Old Lodge Lane which failed the test. MB though is a different story and is slowly gathering different batches of SE’s, mainly because of Citaro unavailability. Personally I hope the rest of the ex 455 SE’s end up at MB. I never will get why they are so hesitant on putting duals on the 463, RATP did it often. As for the S1, I'd say slowly phasing out the Metrocities at this point might be for the best, those things are falling apart on the inside.
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Post by londonbuses on Jul 25, 2024 20:04:28 GMT
The 164 is the only one that hasn’t had an SE out today. I suspect the issue is coming from a lot of spare SE coming off the 200 and the 493, which is now using the 10.8m examples from the 485, without homes. With the spare SEe from the P12 being utilised it seems like the PM won’t be ready for a while. Could any of the non-electric routes at C or MB take the influx of SEs? Ideally the 463, the 10.2m buses would be a perfect fit for the route. Why on earth it's still using 9m buses I'll never know, the entire route apart from a short section in Beddington (and pedantically an incredibly short section in Coulsdon) is paralleled by the double decker 633, and the route certainly warrants longer buses particularly between Wallington and Coulsdon. It actually makes me laugh a bit that you've got the 359 and 439 using longer buses than the 463. Edit - just saw the posts above talking about the 463
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Post by PGAT on Jul 25, 2024 20:04:38 GMT
SEs are slowly taking over the S1. The last SOE was on a week ago and there have only been 3 Metrocities on there today
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 25, 2024 20:43:21 GMT
Could any of the non-electric routes at C or MB take the influx of SEs? Ideally the 463, the 10.2m buses would be a perfect fit for the route. Why on earth it's still using 9m buses I'll never know, the entire route apart from a short section in Beddington (and pedantically an incredibly short section in Coulsdon) is paralleled by the double decker 633, and the route certainly warrants longer buses particularly between Wallington and Coulsdon. It actually makes me laugh a bit that you've got the 359 and 439 using longer buses than the 463. Edit - just saw the posts above talking about the 463 A couple of years ago 633 ran via that section due to the shortcut being closed for resurfacing works and pavement reconstruction for a few weeks or maybe two months
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 25, 2024 20:48:58 GMT
Could any of the non-electric routes at C or MB take the influx of SEs? Ideally the 463, the 10.2m buses would be a perfect fit for the route. Why on earth it's still using 9m buses I'll never know, the entire route apart from a short section in Beddington (and pedantically an incredibly short section in Coulsdon) is paralleled by the double decker 633, and the route certainly warrants longer buses particularly between Wallington and Coulsdon. It actually makes me laugh a bit that you've got the 359 and 439 using longer buses than the 463. Edit - just saw the posts above talking about the 463 Who deserves the longer buses more? One of the longest routes in London that spans 3 boroughs and goes by 4 train stations, the Tramlink and connects areas with no connections to their boroughs, or, two routes that really like backroads and one with the worst scheduling of a normal route in TfLs entire catalogue imo.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 25, 2024 20:51:42 GMT
SEs are slowly taking over the S1. The last SOE was on a week ago and there have only been 3 Metrocities on there today I think the SOEs are toast now, a shame honestly.
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Post by jacques on Jul 26, 2024 10:35:28 GMT
Speaking of Garth Road, are there any updates on the construction?Also which routes are planned to move in, as I think the best routes to move in would be 163,164,413, and S2. (293 can run from there if won by GAL) Garth Road looks really underwhelming, as its small and way off most routes. I still hope they get another much closer option to Morden station maybe space becomes available in the Industrial estate by the River Wandle?
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Post by greenboy on Jul 26, 2024 11:16:47 GMT
Could be a possibility. Go-Ahead have not been the lowest bidder for route 44/N44 in its last two tendering rounds in 2012 and 2017, so perhaps third time's the charm for Transport UK winning the route? In addition, I do think Battersea would be a better base for the route than Stockwell. Out of interest despite the 44 being SW based some drivers are from AL, which partially explains why changeovers are still being done at Tooting Broadway and why no EHs have been seen with 44 on their blindsets I think the 44 is fully staffed by AL drivers, buses are based at SW because there's no room at AL since the 157 arrived.
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Post by greg on Jul 26, 2024 11:56:57 GMT
I was on one of the electric 485's at the weekend ( sorry didn't take in the number ) and while the announcements and blind were correct, the internal display was stuck showing 152 Pollards Hill. Just been on SEe280 and it's displaying 152 Pollards Hill inside while being a 485 to Castelnau. Saw this yesterday too - think all of the 485’s SEes are displaying it
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Post by london23 on Jul 26, 2024 22:53:30 GMT
Do you think that EH213-224 from the SL6 will be kept for another route once it is lost.
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Post by greg on Jul 27, 2024 0:23:33 GMT
Do you think that EH213-224 from the SL6 will be kept for another route once it is lost. I think they could be worth looking at it in possible GA bids for routes: 231 from NP N550/N551 from Si 304 retain at RR/SI? 412/685 from C or 405 Or all of tranche 938 (RR school routes and 673-674-675) 403/654 from C Etc.
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 27, 2024 1:06:29 GMT
Do you think that EH213-224 from the SL6 will be kept for another route once it is lost. I think they could be worth looking at it in possible GA bids for routes: 231 from NP N550/N551 from Si 304 retain at RR/SI? 412/685 from C or 405 Or all of tranche 938 (RR school routes and 673-674-675) 403/654 from C Etc. 654 comes out of MB, and will probably be retained with an electric double deck
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Post by COBO on Jul 27, 2024 1:30:23 GMT
Do you think that EH213-224 from the SL6 will be kept for another route once it is lost. I think they could be worth looking at it in possible GA bids for routes: 231 from NP N550/N551 from Si 304 retain at RR/SI? 412/685 from C or 405 Or all of tranche 938 (RR school routes and 673-674-675) 403/654 from C Etc. If N550/551 had to gain EH213-224 then EH213-224 will have to be allocated to a daytime route in order for EH213-224 to be allocated to N550/N551 because night routes don't have buses specifially allocated to like how daytime routes have buses allocated to them. Normally night routes just take whatever is allocated to the daytime routes.
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