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Post by DT 11 on Aug 7, 2024 8:33:48 GMT
Looks like the 299 is using running numbers 621-626 with changeovers at Southgate Station, with the 389/399 using running numbers 626-627 Why would they change over at Southgate on a short route? WS50 was also operating on the 299 late last night, presume this won’t be the norm as it’s single door. When NP had the route before the changeovers were at Southgate… It has nothing to do with the Route being short. |
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Post by adl on Aug 7, 2024 9:35:06 GMT
Route 5 all but 4 buses LT, there are quite a few LTs not used in a few days in the past week which indicates to me there’s enough LTs at RR/DS to cover the 5, 15, EL1, EL2, EL3. I don’t actually think it’s due to the LTs being unreliable or not enough of them I think that whoever is doing the allocations each day is simply choosing to put EHs on the 5 but with the excess EHs gradually lowering they are putting the correct buses on the 5. This no doubt will change again when schools return as they love putting LTs onto the school routes even without blinds.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 7, 2024 9:44:48 GMT
Route 5 all but 4 buses LT, there are quite a few LTs not used in a few days in the past week which indicates to me there’s enough LTs at RR/DS to cover the 5, 15, EL1, EL2, EL3. I don’t actually think it’s due to the LTs being unreliable or not enough of them I think that whoever is doing the allocations each day is simply choosing to put EHs on the 5 but with the excess EHs gradually lowering they are putting the correct buses on the 5. This no doubt will change again when schools return as they love putting LTs onto the school routes even without blinds. I can't say I don't understand why. It makes alighting so much more efficient at the school terminus in the morning, with two exit doors and staircases. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 7, 2024 9:59:42 GMT
E119 is not great - it was the only one I rode whilst at PM and struggled with the most basic of inclines. well Merton did limp almost all of them which is sad but i still got an amazing run w E119 on the 280! Its a shame since it was actually faster last year I don't reckon it's so much a case of Merton limping them, more a case of issues with the diesel particulate filter, fuel pump, EGR valve, etc. Other E40Ds and DB300s across London are generally similar in performance for the most part |
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Post by ibus246 on Aug 7, 2024 10:34:00 GMT
Looks like the 299 is using running numbers 621-626 with changeovers at Southgate Station, with the 389/399 using running numbers 626-627 Is the 299 interworked with 389/399? I’ve no idea where the routes go but if not the surley there wouldn’t be two runnings as 626 |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 7, 2024 10:49:58 GMT
Looks like the 299 is using running numbers 621-626 with changeovers at Southgate Station, with the 389/399 using running numbers 626-627 Is the 299 interworked with 389/399? I’ve no idea where the routes go but if not the surley there wouldn’t be two runnings as 626 Yes the 389/399 use a peak extra on route 299. 299 terminates at Cockfosters, dead up to Hadley Wood Station, 399 to Barnet, 389 and so on. After final journey on 399, returns to Cockfosters as a 299 as I understand it. |
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Post by Alexis on Aug 7, 2024 11:12:16 GMT
Is the 299 interworked with 389/399? I’ve no idea where the routes go but if not the surley there wouldn’t be two runnings as 626 Yes the 389/399 use a peak extra on route 299. 299 terminates at Cockfosters, dead up to Hadley Wood Station, 399 to Barnet, 389 and so on. After final journey on 399, returns to Cockfosters as a 299 as I understand it. On the current duty cards NP626 goes direct from the garage to Barnet to start on the 399 before later running light to Cockfosters to go on the 299. |
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Post by rugbyref on Aug 7, 2024 18:14:52 GMT
At least 2 Irizar out today training for 358.
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Post by jacques on Aug 7, 2024 18:57:33 GMT
With regards to the 131/280 i have a feeling it will be the BYD/Enviro400 EV. Hopefully I'm wrong we get the integral ADL Enviro400 EVs. I think the 280 will indirectly get BYDs. It’s been mentioned, by info from a TfL FOI I think it was, that alternative vehicles will go to the 151 due to the length restrictions. Nothing confirmed as to what will happen, but there’s a possibility I think that the 280 will have a batch of alternative vehicles made against it, to go to the 151. what do you think the 151 will get, Electroliners? I'm surprised MVB1 hasn't been used more on the 151. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 7, 2024 19:06:10 GMT
I think the 280 will indirectly get BYDs. It’s been mentioned, by info from a TfL FOI I think it was, that alternative vehicles will go to the 151 due to the length restrictions. Nothing confirmed as to what will happen, but there’s a possibility I think that the 280 will have a batch of alternative vehicles made against it, to go to the 151. what do you think the 151 will get, Electroliners? I'm surprised MVB1 hasn't been used more on the 151. I think MVB1 is the same length as the Ees so that won't help matters. If the 151 gets something else it'll be either Electroliners or ADL integrals. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2024 22:01:18 GMT
I think the 280 will indirectly get BYDs. It’s been mentioned, by info from a TfL FOI I think it was, that alternative vehicles will go to the 151 due to the length restrictions. Nothing confirmed as to what will happen, but there’s a possibility I think that the 280 will have a batch of alternative vehicles made against it, to go to the 151. what do you think the 151 will get, Electroliners? I'm surprised MVB1 hasn't been used more on the 151. I think it'll be ADL intregals or the BYD intregal thing if it's length isn't an issue given they have over 100 on order already for those. I don't see them ordering Electroliners personally - they've trialled it for a while but have still continued with ADL BYD's thus far so I wonder if they are not fully convinced by the Electroliner? |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 7, 2024 22:37:35 GMT
what do you think the 151 will get, Electroliners? I'm surprised MVB1 hasn't been used more on the 151. I think it'll be ADL intregals or the BYD intregal thing if its length isn't an issue given they have over 100 on order already for those. I don't see them ordering Electroliners personally - they've trialled it for a while but have still continued with ADL BYD's thus far so I wonder if they are not fully convinced by the Electroliner? The BYD BD11 is also 10.9m so that probably won’t be any good either  Probably will be the ADL Integral considering any potential order for this and the 473 has been totally silent, and pretty certain the E400EV is not gonna be in full production until next year. If another alternative vehicle had been ordered surely we’d be seeing it turn up by now, especially with Electroliners as Wright seem to be quite good at delivering them hastily. My money is certainly on the E400EV for the 151 and 473 (I know the 473 is in a bit of a limbo and LOTS said it was getting Ee’s after all, but that’s all gone silent and there’s no way they wouldn’t have turned up with the 262’s if it was getting them) |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 7, 2024 22:41:43 GMT
what do you think the 151 will get, Electroliners? I'm surprised MVB1 hasn't been used more on the 151. I think it'll be ADL intregals or the BYD intregal thing if it's length isn't an issue given they have over 100 on order already for those. I don't see them ordering Electroliners personally - they've trialled it for a while but have still continued with ADL BYD's thus far so I wonder if they are not fully convinced by the Electroliner? Is there an actual confirmation that they have ordered 100 BD11s? I don't doubt you at all, knowing that you are a well-known member of the forum and I've seen a few people saying the same, but no one has been able to prove that Go Ahead have placed an order for 100. If this is the case, I would predict the following routes to receive them: - 101, 129, SL4, 321, 280, 131 |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 7, 2024 22:42:44 GMT
I think it'll be ADL intregals or the BYD intregal thing if its length isn't an issue given they have over 100 on order already for those. I don't see them ordering Electroliners personally - they've trialled it for a while but have still continued with ADL BYD's thus far so I wonder if they are not fully convinced by the Electroliner? The BYD BD11 is also 10.9m so that probably won’t be any good either Probably will be the ADL Integral considering any potential order for this and the 473 has been totally silent, and pretty certain the E400EV is not gonna be in full production until next year. If another alternative vehicle had been ordered surely we’d be seeing it turn up by now, especially with Electroliners as Wright seem to be quite good at delivering them hastily. My money is certainly on the E400EV for the 151 and 473 (I know the 473 is in a bit of a limbo and LOTS said it was getting Ee’s after all, but that’s all gone silent and there’s no way they wouldn’t have turned up with the 262’s if it was getting them) Agreed about the 473, It looked somewhat clear how the Ee's failed the turn at London City Airport. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2024 23:34:39 GMT
I think it'll be ADL intregals or the BYD intregal thing if it's length isn't an issue given they have over 100 on order already for those. I don't see them ordering Electroliners personally - they've trialled it for a while but have still continued with ADL BYD's thus far so I wonder if they are not fully convinced by the Electroliner? Is there an actual confirmation that they have ordered 100 BD11s? I don't doubt you at all, knowing that you are a well-known member of the forum and I've seen a few people saying the same, but no one has been able to prove that Go Ahead have placed an order for 100. If this is the case, I would predict the following routes to receive them: - 101, 129, SL4, 321, 280, 131 Believe someone linked an article mentioning it. Route One references it in it's own article here and it's mentioned in this article too herePictures of a TfL spec BYD intregal have also been linked on here previously |
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