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Post by DW221 on Aug 7, 2024 23:41:12 GMT
The BYD BD11 is also 10.9m so that probably won’t be any good either  Probably will be the ADL Integral considering any potential order for this and the 473 has been totally silent, and pretty certain the E400EV is not gonna be in full production until next year. If another alternative vehicle had been ordered surely we’d be seeing it turn up by now, especially with Electroliners as Wright seem to be quite good at delivering them hastily. My money is certainly on the E400EV for the 151 and 473 (I know the 473 is in a bit of a limbo and LOTS said it was getting Ee’s after all, but that’s all gone silent and there’s no way they wouldn’t have turned up with the 262’s if it was getting them) Agreed about the 473, It looked somewhat clear how the Ee's failed the turn at London City Airport. On the topic of BYDs, I would also have my doubts Ee’s would make it round Woodbine Place in Wanstead for 101 ethier, its really tight down there! |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2024 0:00:57 GMT
Agreed about the 473, It looked somewhat clear how the Ee's failed the turn at London City Airport. On the topic of BYDs, I would also have my doubts Ee’s would make it round Woodbine Place in Wanstead for 101 ethier, its really tight down there! The 101 has used 11.3m Wright Pathfinders in the past which used the terminus at Wanstead. Similarly, the 308 also had 10.8m DMV's so I'd imagine Wanstead would be ok for an Ee. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2024 0:03:07 GMT
The BYD BD11 is also 10.9m so that probably won’t be any good either Probably will be the ADL Integral considering any potential order for this and the 473 has been totally silent, and pretty certain the E400EV is not gonna be in full production until next year. If another alternative vehicle had been ordered surely we’d be seeing it turn up by now, especially with Electroliners as Wright seem to be quite good at delivering them hastily. My money is certainly on the E400EV for the 151 and 473 (I know the 473 is in a bit of a limbo and LOTS said it was getting Ee’s after all, but that’s all gone silent and there’s no way they wouldn’t have turned up with the 262’s if it was getting them) Agreed about the 473, It looked somewhat clear how the Ee's failed the turn at London City Airport. There is no information of any type regarding any failed tests on the 473. All we have is one LOTS article stating the 473 to receive Ee's and thats it. |
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Post by DW221 on Aug 8, 2024 0:49:02 GMT
On the topic of BYDs, I would also have my doubts Ee’s would make it round Woodbine Place in Wanstead for 101 ethier, its really tight down there! The 101 has used 11.3m Wright Pathfinders in the past which used the terminus at Wanstead. Similarly, the 308 also had 10.8m DMV's so I'd imagine Wanstead would be ok for an Ee. oh fair enough, although i imagine an Ee turning circle is worse than a DMV… Anyone’s guess what the route will get, its all speculation for now I’m just enjoying the current diesels on the route while they last |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2024 1:23:26 GMT
The 101 has used 11.3m Wright Pathfinders in the past which used the terminus at Wanstead. Similarly, the 308 also had 10.8m DMV's so I'd imagine Wanstead would be ok for an Ee. oh fair enough, although i imagine an Ee turning circle is worse than a DMV… Anyone’s guess what the route will get, its all speculation for now I’m just enjoying the current diesels on the route while they last Maybe it is but then it really depends on who does the route test. Besides, I suspect an Ee's turning circle would be better than a Wright Pathfinder that was built in the 90's |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 8, 2024 6:44:15 GMT
The BYD BD11 is also 10.9m so that probably won’t be any good either Probably will be the ADL Integral considering any potential order for this and the 473 has been totally silent, and pretty certain the E400EV is not gonna be in full production until next year. If another alternative vehicle had been ordered surely we’d be seeing it turn up by now, especially with Electroliners as Wright seem to be quite good at delivering them hastily. My money is certainly on the E400EV for the 151 and 473 (I know the 473 is in a bit of a limbo and LOTS said it was getting Ee’s after all, but that’s all gone silent and there’s no way they wouldn’t have turned up with the 262’s if it was getting them) Agreed about the 473, It looked somewhat clear how the Ee's failed the turn at London City Airport. We don’t know for sure it failed, but I’ve always had my doubts about the Ee in City airport. Not a lot of room to do a complete 180° turn |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2024 7:04:54 GMT
Is there an actual confirmation that they have ordered 100 BD11s? I don't doubt you at all, knowing that you are a well-known member of the forum and I've seen a few people saying the same, but no one has been able to prove that Go Ahead have placed an order for 100. If this is the case, I would predict the following routes to receive them: - 101, 129, SL4, 321, 280, 131 Believe someone linked an article mentioning it. Route One references it in it's own article here and it's mentioned in this article too herePictures of a TfL spec BYD intregal have also been linked on here previously To be fair though neither of those articles actually provide solid confirmation of an order. Merely that there are rumours Go Ahead has ordered 100. Yes, I’ve seen the photos of the ones on the docks somewhere in China but that still isn’t solid confirmation. |
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Post by bustler on Aug 8, 2024 8:07:36 GMT
Does anyone at Stockwell have any information on what's happened to E 141? Hasn't appeared on the 118 for a while now.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2024 8:51:15 GMT
Is there an actual confirmation that they have ordered 100 BD11s? I don't doubt you at all, knowing that you are a well-known member of the forum and I've seen a few people saying the same, but no one has been able to prove that Go Ahead have placed an order for 100. If this is the case, I would predict the following routes to receive them: - 101, 129, SL4, 321, 280, 131 Believe someone linked an article mentioning it. Route One references it in it's own article here and it's mentioned in this article too herePictures of a TfL spec BYD intregal have also been linked on here previously It is referenced in various places but don't believe confirmed. I think the various news sites have taken the fact there is a TfL Spec bus and run with the story.
The route one article has the below
The BD11 is built to Transport for London specifications, although BYD is yet to confirm reports that Go-Ahead is lined up to be the first buyer in a deal worth more than 100 units.
Also the below
Go-Ahead Group, which operates buses on behalf of Transport for London (TfL), is claimed to be close to ordering 100 BYD electric double-decker buses. The price of each bus is £400,000 (Rp. 8.1 billion).
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2024 8:56:32 GMT
Agreed about the 473, It looked somewhat clear how the Ee's failed the turn at London City Airport. We don’t know for sure it failed, but I’ve always had my doubts about the Ee in City airport. Not a lot of room to do a complete 180° turn Going a bit off topic here but I do wonder if two routes are needed to serve the airport especially as the 473 and 474 both now mirror each other between Prince Regent and North Woolwich! When I have used a bus via the airport it has seemed tedious and long.
I guess they are probably more for local passengers / staff than passengers using the airport who most likely use the DLR or a Taxi.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2024 9:42:42 GMT
We don’t know for sure it failed, but I’ve always had my doubts about the Ee in City airport. Not a lot of room to do a complete 180° turn Going a bit off topic here but I do wonder if two routes are needed to serve the airport especially as the 473 and 474 both now mirror each other between Prince Regent and North Woolwich! When I have used a bus via the airport it has seemed tedious and long.
I guess they are probably more for local passengers / staff than passengers using the airport who most likely use the DLR or a Taxi.
I guess the 474 would probably be the better one as it has a 24h service and links to Canning Town but yes I agree they are largely for local travel who aren't using the DLR. |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 8, 2024 9:55:22 GMT
We don’t know for sure it failed, but I’ve always had my doubts about the Ee in City airport. Not a lot of room to do a complete 180° turn Going a bit off topic here but I do wonder if two routes are needed to serve the airport especially as the 473 and 474 both now mirror each other between Prince Regent and North Woolwich! When I have used a bus via the airport it has seemed tedious and long.
I guess they are probably more for local passengers / staff than passengers using the airport who most likely use the DLR or a Taxi.
Probably not the 473 no, in my experience of using the route (and I use it quite a lot) the buses usually largely empty out by Prince Regent. But it does provide a good contingency link going to Stratford from LCA. I’ve been at LCA when the DLR went down before, so all the people that would have used the DLR (obviously Stratford being the main destination in East London) all went to the 473, so is probably best left alone. That end of the route is quiet anyway under normal circumstances, so having it go into the Airport foreground isn’t really doing many people any harm, and is very valuable when a contingency route is needed |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 8, 2024 10:20:32 GMT
Going a bit off topic here but I do wonder if two routes are needed to serve the airport especially as the 473 and 474 both now mirror each other between Prince Regent and North Woolwich! When I have used a bus via the airport it has seemed tedious and long.
I guess they are probably more for local passengers / staff than passengers using the airport who most likely use the DLR or a Taxi.
Probably not the 473 no, in my experience of using the route (and I use it quite a lot) the buses usually largely empty out by Prince Regent. But it does provide a good contingency link going to Stratford from LCA. I’ve been at LCA when the DLR went down before, so all the people that would have used the DLR (obviously Stratford being the main destination in East London) all went to the 473, so is probably best left alone. That end of the route is quiet anyway under normal circumstances, so having it go into the Airport foreground isn’t really doing many people any harm, and is very valuable when a contingency route is needed The 473 does gather some custom when flights come in, but most will opt for the cab. The route goes past the airport so there's no harm with a double run, but as you rightly do say you probably could remove the 473 without causing hardship to most people. The pedant in me wants to correctly your City Airport abbreviation, it's LCY as LCA is in Cyprus  (not the local one either!) |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2024 10:40:14 GMT
Agreed about the 473, It looked somewhat clear how the Ee's failed the turn at London City Airport. We don’t know for sure it failed, but I’ve always had my doubts about the Ee in City airport. Not a lot of room to do a complete 180° turn If there is an issue with longer DDs here, this will also affect the 129 order, which is due to serve the airport when extended. I wonder why Go Ahead have made such a large BYD BD11 order (if true), considering they are the same length as the BYD/Citys, and various routes due new EVs could have tighter turns in the same way as the 151/200/473/etc. Some have mentioned they could be unsuitable for the 101's stand at Wanstead, or the 88 turning around at Parliament Hill, for example. |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 8, 2024 10:51:27 GMT
Probably not the 473 no, in my experience of using the route (and I use it quite a lot) the buses usually largely empty out by Prince Regent. But it does provide a good contingency link going to Stratford from LCA. I’ve been at LCA when the DLR went down before, so all the people that would have used the DLR (obviously Stratford being the main destination in East London) all went to the 473, so is probably best left alone. That end of the route is quiet anyway under normal circumstances, so having it go into the Airport foreground isn’t really doing many people any harm, and is very valuable when a contingency route is needed The 473 does gather some custom when flights come in, but most will opt for the cab. The route goes past the airport so there's no harm with a double run, but as you rightly do say you probably could remove the 473 without causing hardship to most people. The pedant in me wants to correctly your City Airport abbreviation, it's LCY as LCA is in Cyprus (not the local one either!) Didn’t know LCA was a Cypriot airport, didn’t even know City airport’s 3 letter code (I only know LGW, STN, LHR, JFK and LAX), I just opted for a dummy’s abbreviation 🤣 Back to LC AY, not even sure if the 129 really needs to go into the City Airport grounds, that would probably be better to just sail past. Again with your taxi theory I can’t see it garnering that much usage to have it detour all that way to the Airport forecourt |
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(not the local one either!)