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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 29, 2024 22:36:23 GMT
Thought the 473 failed the Ee test hence why Ee's were not ordered for the route because they were too long. Not sure why the 101 had to wait so long when there's been much longer buses on the route but I am happy that buses have finally been confirmed for it. If the 473 is now able to take BD11s, assuming it can turn better, then could this be a potential candidate for the 131 and 151? Unless Go Ahead are still planning to wait for the E400 EV to release, I don't see what other option they have given they don't want to go for the Electroliner.. EDIT: I assume that as soon as BD11s start turning up at RR and DS, type training will commence and they will instantly get the E400s and Gemini 2s out potentially for the 99, 269 and 401. Makes sense if the WVNs, WVLs and E's go to BX later during the year anyway given that both garages are electrified, and installing additional chargers doesn't take that much time. Now all Go Ahead has left to do is to quickly get the intended electrics for the 376 from NP and give the SEe's to the 325, where they should be! To me it seems there is an issue somewhere along the 473 as there has not even been a single odd working of the 262 batch of Ee’s. I know that’s not 100% proven but that’s my opinion. I am guessing there could be issues around City Airport or North Woolwich as all other parts of the route duplicate the 262. I hope the 101 and 473 batch are delivered first especially as the SL4 are the lowest priority despite one bus being seen with a possible Super Loop livery. Where would an issue on the 473 be if LTs constantly run up and down between North Woolwich and Prince Regent? |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 29, 2024 22:37:24 GMT
Speculation however remains on where the 333 batch will be initially allocated given SW's not yet future proofed....unless at least one's allocated there and juiced up by a remote charger like with Peckham's SEe260 Never mind the 333 it’s the 131 which is noticeably absent from this list that I’m wondering about, which has just started its new contract with nothing confirmed. Maybe there is an issue with the Tooting Broadway stand after all which is preventing those longer length deckers. Looking forward to seeing these on the 473 too, one of my favourite routes, with a better turning circle these should be able to navigate LCY forecourt just fine  The BD11 is 10.9m and the 333 has just been announced as getting some (pretty sure it was announced for Ee's before which are also 10.9m) so presumably, the orders for the 131 & 280 simply haven't been announced yet and maybe could be another different type |
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 29, 2024 22:44:41 GMT
Speculation however remains on where the 333 batch will be initially allocated given SW's not yet future proofed....unless at least one's allocated there and juiced up by a remote charger like with Peckham's SEe260 Never mind the 333 it’s the 131 which is noticeably absent from this list that I’m wondering about, which has just started its new contract with nothing confirmed. Maybe there is an issue with the Tooting Broadway stand after all which is preventing those longer length deckers. Looking forward to seeing these on the 473 too, one of my favourite routes, with a better turning circle these should be able to navigate LCY forecourt just fine I wonder if the previously announced order of Ees for the 333 was real but have been diverted to the 131 - the Ees for the 57 (Ee205-217), 151 (Ee172-186) and an order for the 333 (PVR 15/TVR 16) would perfectly fit the combined TVR of the 57 and 131. Of course I could be very wrong about this and that order for the 333 could've just been a mistake from LOTS. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Sept 29, 2024 23:06:20 GMT
Speculation however remains on where the 333 batch will be initially allocated given SW's not yet future proofed....unless at least one's allocated there and juiced up by a remote charger like with Peckham's SEe260 Never mind the 333 it’s the 131 which is noticeably absent from this list that I’m wondering about, which has just started its new contract with nothing confirmed. Maybe there is an issue with the Tooting Broadway stand after all which is preventing those longer length deckers. Looking forward to seeing these on the 473 too, one of my favourite routes, with a better turning circle these should be able to navigate LCY forecourt just fine There were 3 Ees on stand earlier today (2x 131 & 1x 264) so it can certainly handle more than a one off curtailment |
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Post by abellion on Sept 30, 2024 5:23:01 GMT
Never mind the 333 it’s the 131 which is noticeably absent from this list that I’m wondering about, which has just started its new contract with nothing confirmed. Maybe there is an issue with the Tooting Broadway stand after all which is preventing those longer length deckers. Looking forward to seeing these on the 473 too, one of my favourite routes, with a better turning circle these should be able to navigate LCY forecourt just fine I wonder if the previously announced order of Ees for the 333 was real but have been diverted to the 131 - the Ees for the 57 (Ee205-217), 151 (Ee172-186) and an order for the 333 (PVR 15/TVR 16) would perfectly fit the combined TVR of the 57 and 131. Of course I could be very wrong about this and that order for the 333 could've just been a mistake from LOTS. 8 of the 151s Ee172-186 are at AL, and coincidentally the 57 is allocated 8 WHVs, so if either of the two groups are redeployed I hope it’s not the WHVs!! |
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Post by abellion on Sept 30, 2024 5:27:34 GMT
Also, like the pre-fire200, there are lots of WHV/WHV on the 57 and WVL 157 in the evenings and they concentrate at the bottom of the LVF page having logged off past midnight. I didn’t realise they were out in such high quantities considering that there are the 151s buses spare
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Post by TB123 on Sept 30, 2024 9:40:46 GMT
“ The EBD-class of Go-Ahead BYD B11 buses mentioned last week are now known to be the first of an order for 75 for use on routes 321, 333, 101, 473 and SL4.”
Makes me wonder what’s coming for the other tenders about to renew requiring EVs, like the 131, 280, 320 in addition to stuff later in 2024 like the 22, 88 and 188.
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Post by bustler on Sept 30, 2024 10:51:19 GMT
Yeah don't think there's a problem with Tooting Broadway as 5 Ee's were running on the 131 last Friday
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Post by M1104 on Sept 30, 2024 10:58:00 GMT
Speculation however remains on where the 333 batch will be initially allocated given SW's not yet future proofed....unless at least one's allocated there and juiced up by a remote charger like with Peckham's SEe260 Never mind the 333 it’s the 131 which is noticeably absent from this list that I’m wondering about, which has just started its new contract with nothing confirmed. Maybe there is an issue with the Tooting Broadway stand after all which is preventing those longer length deckers. Looking forward to seeing these on the 473 too, one of my favourite routes, with a better turning circle these should be able to navigate LCY forecourt just fine Could be at the time the EBDs were ordered the 131 result wasn't yet announced |
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Post by bustler on Sept 30, 2024 11:00:27 GMT
Other bus types have to cover while they recharge the electrics.. 152 and 164's are awash with SE's late in the evenings too. Kudos to Sutton though, they keep the electrics running on the 93's and 154's day and night.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 30, 2024 11:09:24 GMT
Other bus types have to cover while they recharge the electrics.. 152 and 164's are awash with SE's late in the evenings too. Kudos to Sutton though, they keep the electrics running on the 93's and 154's day and night. Even with the 152/164 it isn’t the entire route covered by diesels, it’s just one or two and only in the last few months since the 152/157 converted. Presumably this will ease once more chargers are installed for the 131 and possibly the 280. Sutton is doing well but I assume you mean the 213 as the 154 doesn’t have a night service anymore. |
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Post by bustler on Sept 30, 2024 11:18:29 GMT
Yes 213's, my mishtake
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Post by M1104 on Sept 30, 2024 11:24:51 GMT
Yeah don't think there's a problem with Tooting Broadway as 5 Ee's were running on the 131 last Friday Drivers are generally reporting that they can't fully turn around their Ees without having to reverse unless the stand is all but empty. Will be potentially interesting to see how the stand handles with more long wheel base buses there at the same time, even with what's said to be the EBD's improved turning circle. In the words of the Star Wars character Shiv Palpatine regarding that location, "We will watch your career with great interest" |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 30, 2024 11:34:29 GMT
Other bus types have to cover while they recharge the electrics.. 152 and 164's are awash with SE's late in the evenings too. Kudos to Sutton though, they keep the electrics running on the 93's and 154's day and night. I believe from late evenings the 93 do their crew changes at A like the 213 already do, in which case any buses that may be low in juice can be subbed. Mind you it could be that night drivers are scheduled to take out a fresh bus for their second half anyhow |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 30, 2024 15:16:08 GMT
Yeah don't think there's a problem with Tooting Broadway as 5 Ee's were running on the 131 last Friday Drivers are generally reporting that they can't fully turn around their Ees without having to reverse unless the stand is all but empty. Will be potentially interesting to see how the stand handles with more long wheel base buses there at the same time, even with what's said to be the EBD's improved turning circle. In the words of the Star Wars character Shiv Palpatine regarding that location, "We will watch your career with great interest" If an Ee can make it around the tiny K2/K4 stand at Kingston Hospital then Tooting Broadway should be no problem. I witnessed a 57 Ee turn there on Saturday and was astonished it was able to fit, clearly a very good driver. |
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