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Post by DT 11 on Oct 3, 2024 13:35:53 GMT
That would seem to corroborate with rumoured E400s for the 320, to share engineering similarities with these new E100s. Although a bit disappointing the 233 isn’t getting something longer. Interesting to see what happens with the R2 now Hardly shocked at Route 233… the same thing happens every time. No one cares about Market day at Swanley. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 3, 2024 13:36:59 GMT
This also gives me higher hopes that Go-Ahead will order the new ADL Enviro400EV for routes 22/N22 and 88. I'm not sure about that, the only option for the order of 32 buses were these or Switch EVs, given the previous experience with the latter manufacturer which is still ongoing. That pretty much singled out the E100EV to be the only option. I'm surprised Wright never jumped onto this gap in the market. Mind you given that the EBD class BD11s may be too long for the 22/N22 and 88 it narrows down decker options that bit closer to the integrated E400EV, the only known suitable alternative right now being the Electroliners |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 3, 2024 13:40:28 GMT
The single deck BYD (B11) is looks very different to the BYD BD11 decker, and is actually a very nice looking vehicle it has to be said  I wonder if TfL would consider allowing the triple door system the design has to stay. Much improved flow of movement through the bus which would help when buses get packed but potential fare evasion would probably bring any hope of it coming into existence to a close Why does the design have to stay triple doors? Many models have operated in triple door format in mainland Europe and single/dual door formats in the UK. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 3, 2024 14:24:42 GMT
I'm not sure about that, the only option for the order of 32 buses were these or Switch EVs, given the previous experience with the latter manufacturer which is still ongoing. That pretty much singled out the E100EV to be the only option. I'm surprised Wright never jumped onto this gap in the market. I would imagine it’s probably not worth it for Wright, it’s probably not easy to develop as BYD/ADL didn’t bother either. It’s really only in London dinky little single deckers are needed, and let’s be honest as a proportion of routes out there, quite a small market Previously with the Streetlite, Wright offered all length variations from 8.8m to 11.5m. But with the GB Kite, there isn't even an 9.7m option. Wright could lose out on orders here, if a particular operator wants to standardise on one vehicle type for all lengths. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Oct 3, 2024 14:43:08 GMT
I wonder if TfL would consider allowing the triple door system the design has, to stay. Much improved flow of movement through the bus which would help when buses get packed but potential fare evasion would probably bring any hope of it coming into existence to a close Why does the design have to stay triple doors? Many models have operated in triple door format in mainland Europe and single/dual door formats in the UK. Sorry the wording was a bit off, I was just saying that it would be interesting to know if they would allow/try the triple doors. Not that the design HAS TO stay triple door |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 3, 2024 14:56:46 GMT
The single deck BYD (B11) is looks very different to the BYD BD11 decker, and is actually a very nice looking vehicle it has to be said I wonder if TfL would consider allowing the triple door system the design has to stay. Much improved flow of movement through the bus which would help when buses get packed but potential fare evasion would probably bring any hope of it coming into existence to a close The eBus B11 has a two door layout as well as a three door layout |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 3, 2024 14:58:46 GMT
I wonder if TfL would consider allowing the triple door system the design has to stay. Much improved flow of movement through the bus which would help when buses get packed but potential fare evasion would probably bring any hope of it coming into existence to a close Why does the design have to stay triple doors? Many models have operated in triple door format in mainland Europe and single/dual door formats in the UK. A two door layout is available on the B11 alongside a three door layout (that's the single decker equivalent of the BD11 as I understand it). |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 3, 2024 15:11:40 GMT
I'm not sure about that, the only option for the order of 32 buses were these or Switch EVs, given the previous experience with the latter manufacturer which is still ongoing. That pretty much singled out the E100EV to be the only option. I'm surprised Wright never jumped onto this gap in the market. I would imagine it’s probably not worth it for Wright, it’s probably not easy to develop as BYD/ADL didn’t bother either. It’s really only in London dinky little single deckers are needed, and let’s be honest as a proportion of routes out there, quite a small market Not yet, there's plenty of small dinky single deck routes around the country that will (eventually) convert to Zero Emission vehicles, but that is a very long way off as a significant proportion of those routes would routes which, at the moment, couldn't justify the cost of new electric vehicles |
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Post by COBO on Oct 3, 2024 15:40:02 GMT
So what’s allocated to the 299/389/399?
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 3, 2024 15:45:31 GMT
I would imagine it’s probably not worth it for Wright, it’s probably not easy to develop as BYD/ADL didn’t bother either. It’s really only in London dinky little single deckers are needed, and let’s be honest as a proportion of routes out there, quite a small market Previously with the Streetlite, Wright offered all length variations from 8.8m to 11.5m. But with the GB Kite, there isn't even an 9.7m option. Wright could lose out on orders here, if a particular operator wants to standardise on one vehicle type for all lengths. I’m sure Wright know what they’re doing and there’s a reason for it. They didn’t originally offer a 10.2 Kite but then changed their mind, presumably because they realised there’s enough of a market for a shorter not-quite full length single deckers. Again re 9.6’s, plenty of choice of vehicles so probably not worth them doing. Similar to what ThinLizzy said, outside of London most operators who requires specifically smaller single deckers, will be smaller operators who can’t afford to absorb the cost of buying new electrics. And the amount of routes in London that need 9.6-ish sized vehicles is also comparatively small. So for the time being Wright have probably deduced the costs of developing a smaller length single deckers unviable for the amount of orders it would get |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 3, 2024 15:49:19 GMT
So does this mean that the BYD E200 EV may have potentially been discontinued?
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Post by mark on Oct 3, 2024 16:16:34 GMT
So does this mean that the BYD E200 EV may have potentially been discontinued? I don’t think any new orders are being taken for any of the BYD/ADL range any more. They certainly don’t appear on the ADL website. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 3, 2024 16:28:01 GMT
So what’s allocated to the 299/389/399? SE148-150 & SE167-172 |
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Post by cl54 on Oct 3, 2024 16:38:43 GMT
If Go-Ahead won again for my local bus 162 then I will be happy to have that E100. They are narrower than your existing buses. Not ideal. |
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Post by rugbyref on Oct 3, 2024 16:47:12 GMT
Presumably the awkward crossing of Sevenoaks Road at Tower Road prevents the use of anything longer on the R1? Pity, as loads could often justify larger vehicles. |
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