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Post by SILENCED on Oct 14, 2024 13:52:42 GMT
I would say that depends on if they are leased or owned. If they are leased, very easy to not renew and get rid. If they've owned, and straight lined depreciation is used, that will be a potential loss of approx £200k per vehicles ... or £3.4m for 17. That would be a very brave finance director that signs off on that. Furthermore, if they are owned and GAL understandably want to get rid of them, surely GAL would be in a position to be compensated for receiving a frankly p*ss poor product? They’ve shown to be hugely defective vehicles so they shouldn’t really have to endure financial loss for wanting to reject a defective product OK, so presumably you are thinking about Switch compensating them? If so, why would they want to do that? They got what they ordered. Sure all the spec was clarified. Why are other companies not so bad. Bad working practices? You also need to remember, if leasing companies get their fingers burnt, it just increases the cost of leasing as they need to make a profit. |
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Post by yunus on Oct 14, 2024 14:11:45 GMT
Still no sign of the Tram buses for the 358! Rock on MECs!!!
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Post by lj61nwc on Oct 14, 2024 14:37:06 GMT
Furthermore, if they are owned and GAL understandably want to get rid of them, surely GAL would be in a position to be compensated for receiving a frankly p*ss poor product? They’ve shown to be hugely defective vehicles so they shouldn’t really have to endure financial loss for wanting to reject a defective product OK, so presumably you are thinking about Switch compensating them? If so, why would they want to do that? They got what they ordered. Sure all the spec was clarified. Why are other companies not so bad. Bad working practices? You also need to remember, if leasing companies get their fingers burnt, it just increases the cost of leasing as they need to make a profit. There's definitely some sort of warranty or guarantee which can be claimed against, I personally doubt they will get money back as Switch clearly seem to be rectifying the issue as multiple Mes are in service |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 14, 2024 14:41:35 GMT
OK, so presumably you are thinking about Switch compensating them? If so, why would they want to do that? They got what they ordered. Sure all the spec was clarified. Why are other companies not so bad. Bad working practices? You also need to remember, if leasing companies get their fingers burnt, it just increases the cost of leasing as they need to make a profit. There's definitely some sort of warranty or guarantee which can be claimed against, I personally doubt they will get money back as Switch clearly seem to be rectifying the issue as multiple Mes are in service Agreed, Switch will carry out their obligations as per the warranty ... which is unlikely to stretch to anywhere near what was previously suggested |
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Post by se10 on Oct 14, 2024 15:14:03 GMT
OK, so presumably you are thinking about Switch compensating them? If so, why would they want to do that? They got what they ordered. Sure all the spec was clarified. Why are other companies not so bad. Bad working practices? You also need to remember, if leasing companies get their fingers burnt, it just increases the cost of leasing as they need to make a profit. There's definitely some sort of warranty or guarantee which can be claimed against, I personally doubt they will get money back as Switch clearly seem to be rectifying the issue as multiple Mes are in service
Would be interesting to know the current state of play for the Me's overall - when I walked past PL the other week there were a bunch sat very dormant plus haven't seen Me13 since it sat down in August
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 14, 2024 16:40:03 GMT
I believe RR is ready to take the electrics for the 325. The only reason why they aren't using them is because the 376 has taken the 325's electrics whilst awaiting the SEe's from NP. I'm not even sure what's taking so long for the buses to move over, so that the allocations could be correct but it is quite frustrating. However I must admit that Go Ahead is moving at a much faster rate compared to other operators when it comes to electrifying routes and garages, so I am sure that this is a little obstacle which will be overcome soon. Are you speculating or is this fact? To flip the argument NP might not have sent the buses as Go Ahead want to use the 325 new buses instead of them being in storage whilst work is taking place to get RR ready for additional charging points. Going back to my original point I still doubt any new electric double deckers will enter service in 4 weeks to release buses for the 217. My bad, it was a speculation and what you say makes sense. |
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Post by london23 on Oct 15, 2024 6:20:05 GMT
Do you know if WVL413 LX11 CWU will be repaired yet after it's accident in June or will be withdrawn altogether and also is WS108 also going to get repaired as it hasn't been on the road since June 2023.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 15, 2024 7:01:54 GMT
There's definitely some sort of warranty or guarantee which can be claimed against, I personally doubt they will get money back as Switch clearly seem to be rectifying the issue as multiple Mes are in service
Would be interesting to know the current state of play for the Me's overall - when I walked past PL the other week there were a bunch sat very dormant plus haven't seen Me13 since it sat down in August
The finer details are really a private matter between GAL and Optare/Switch and they'll have to argue it out between themselves over the cost but it seems unlikely that the Me's will fully return to service. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 15, 2024 8:08:23 GMT
There's definitely some sort of warranty or guarantee which can be claimed against, I personally doubt they will get money back as Switch clearly seem to be rectifying the issue as multiple Mes are in service
Would be interesting to know the current state of play for the Me's overall - when I walked past PL the other week there were a bunch sat very dormant plus haven't seen Me13 since it sat down in August
I'm guessing those on sight haven't yet been sent away for their mods, that program on hold for now |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 15, 2024 8:38:54 GMT
Would be interesting to know the current state of play for the Me's overall - when I walked past PL the other week there were a bunch sat very dormant plus haven't seen Me13 since it sat down in August
I'm guessing those on sight haven't yet been sent away for their mods, that program on hold for now On permanent hold likely tbh |
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Post by se10 on Oct 15, 2024 8:52:21 GMT
Would be interesting to know the current state of play for the Me's overall - when I walked past PL the other week there were a bunch sat very dormant plus haven't seen Me13 since it sat down in August
I'm guessing those on sight haven't yet been sent away for their mods, that program on hold for now Couldn’t count exactly how many because the yard was full at the front gate so couldn’t see all the way, but based on the ones I could see, it wasn’t inconceivable that it was the full batch of Me1-11. Not 100% sure though. Only thing of note was one (Me10?) that had its front panel off, other than that nothing happening at all with them by the looks of things: Bit of a shame it’s probably gonna end like this and they’ll get replaced at retender, because I do like them, but hey ho maybe we could end up with a middle of the road solution where Me14-17 are kept to cover the late night diesels or something |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2024 13:40:20 GMT
I'm guessing those on sight haven't yet been sent away for their mods, that program on hold for now On permanent hold likely tbh Based on what? 4 made their return already otherwise what would be the point of modifying a handful to return if the batch is a lost cause of sorts. The problem is we simply don’t know anything about what the actual issues with this batch. Did Go-Ahead modify them which caused problems or was it something else? Right now, I’d lean to the former simply because Metroline & RATP examples have all been deemed to be ok to carry on but that’s just me guessing and I could very much be wrong |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 15, 2024 15:49:42 GMT
On permanent hold likely tbh Based on what? 4 made their return already otherwise what would be the point of modifying a handful to return if the batch is a lost cause of sorts. The problem is we simply don’t know anything about what the actual issues with this batch. Did Go-Ahead modify them which caused problems or was it something else? Right now, I’d lean to the former simply because Metroline & RATP examples have all been deemed to be ok to carry on but that’s just me guessing and I could very much be wrong Fair point, obviously I could be wrong too but I just think if they intended on mending this batch and putting them back in service it would take this long sure, especially with a handful back in service, so it shows a fix for them has been found. To me the silence on this batch of vehicles is deafening |
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Post by cl54 on Oct 15, 2024 16:32:38 GMT
Based on what? 4 made their return already otherwise what would be the point of modifying a handful to return if the batch is a lost cause of sorts. The problem is we simply don’t know anything about what the actual issues with this batch. Did Go-Ahead modify them which caused problems or was it something else? Right now, I’d lean to the former simply because Metroline & RATP examples have all been deemed to be ok to carry on but that’s just me guessing and I could very much be wrong Fair point, obviously I could be wrong too but I just think if they intended on mending this batch and putting them back in service it would take this long sure, especially with a handful back in service, so it shows a fix for them has been found. To me the silence on this batch of vehicles is deafening The logic is that you modify a small number and run them in regular service to see if the changes work. If they prove to be running successfully you modify the rest. |
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Post by Londontransport3 on Oct 15, 2024 20:09:51 GMT
Ex Luton Airport Citaro BX64WHH Into GAL Fleet for Fasttrack Operations
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