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Post by vjaska on Oct 14, 2024 1:23:48 GMT
Hopefully we see more BYD BD11s ordered for routes, specifically for the 22, 88, 99, 131, 188, 269, 280, 320 and 401. Not a huge fan on the latest Wright models. One or two of those routes have restrictions that would prevent BD11's from being ordered - for instance, I'd be surprised if they were ordered for the 88 & 99 due to Parliament Hill Fields roundabout and Slade Green respectively, possibly 22 as well. |
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Post by borneobus on Oct 14, 2024 1:42:08 GMT
RR is not even ready for the 325 electrics so doubt they will be ready to take electric double deckers in November. The 217 needs around 12 double deckers it’s really not going to be that hard to find them. The 262 released around 11 buses when it converted to electric a few months ago. I believe RR is ready to take the electrics for the 325. The only reason why they aren't using them is because the 376 has taken the 325's electrics whilst awaiting the SEe's from NP. I'm not even sure what's taking so long for the buses to move over, so that the allocations could be correct but it is quite frustrating. However I must admit that Go Ahead is moving at a much faster rate compared to other operators when it comes to electrifying routes and garages, so I am sure that this is a little obstacle which will be overcome soon. There's still a dozen SEe that haven't been used since demise of "Red Arrow" routes...I appreciate that they require up-seating but I wonder what the status / plan is... GAL SEe10 LJ16NNR 507 last seen at 00:13 29-04-2023 GAL SEe11 LJ16NNT 521 last seen at 20:25 28-04-2023 GAL SEe12 LJ16NNU 521 last seen at 20:50 28-04-2023 GAL SEe13 LJ66CFM 521 last seen at 19:23 28-04-2023 GAL SEe14 LJ66CFN 507 last seen at 00:30 29-04-2023 GAL SEe15 LJ66CFO 521 last seen at 20:28 27-04-2023 GAL SEe18 LJ66CFV 507 last seen at 18:42 28-04-2023 GAL SEe23 LJ66CGF 521 last seen at 00:15 29-04-2023 GAL SEe25 LJ66CGK 521 last seen at 00:12 29-04-2023 GAL SEe26 LJ66CGO 507 last seen at 01:26 29-04-2023 GAL SEe27 LJ66CGU 521 last seen at 19:52 28-04-2023 GAL SEe28 LJ66CGV 521 last seen at 00:12 29-04-2023 |
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Post by cl54 on Oct 14, 2024 4:55:28 GMT
I believe RR is ready to take the electrics for the 325. The only reason why they aren't using them is because the 376 has taken the 325's electrics whilst awaiting the SEe's from NP. I'm not even sure what's taking so long for the buses to move over, so that the allocations could be correct but it is quite frustrating. However I must admit that Go Ahead is moving at a much faster rate compared to other operators when it comes to electrifying routes and garages, so I am sure that this is a little obstacle which will be overcome soon. There's still a dozen SEe that haven't been used since demise of "Red Arrow" routes...I appreciate that they require up-seating but I wonder what the status / plan is... GAL SEe10 LJ16NNR 507 last seen at 00:13 29-04-2023 GAL SEe11 LJ16NNT 521 last seen at 20:25 28-04-2023 GAL SEe12 LJ16NNU 521 last seen at 20:50 28-04-2023 GAL SEe13 LJ66CFM 521 last seen at 19:23 28-04-2023 GAL SEe14 LJ66CFN 507 last seen at 00:30 29-04-2023 GAL SEe15 LJ66CFO 521 last seen at 20:28 27-04-2023 GAL SEe18 LJ66CFV 507 last seen at 18:42 28-04-2023 GAL SEe23 LJ66CGF 521 last seen at 00:15 29-04-2023 GAL SEe25 LJ66CGK 521 last seen at 00:12 29-04-2023 GAL SEe26 LJ66CGO 507 last seen at 01:26 29-04-2023 GAL SEe27 LJ66CGU 521 last seen at 19:52 28-04-2023 GAL SEe28 LJ66CGV 521 last seen at 00:12 29-04-2023 They are supposed to be running on route 108 from NX garage alongside the 2 that already run but it seems there is not enough charging capacity. |
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Post by lb122 on Oct 14, 2024 6:12:03 GMT
Is 188 moving back to Q next month?
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Post by borneobus on Oct 14, 2024 6:35:40 GMT
There's still a dozen SEe that haven't been used since demise of "Red Arrow" routes...I appreciate that they require up-seating but I wonder what the status / plan is... GAL SEe10 LJ16NNR 507 last seen at 00:13 29-04-2023 GAL SEe11 LJ16NNT 521 last seen at 20:25 28-04-2023 GAL SEe12 LJ16NNU 521 last seen at 20:50 28-04-2023 GAL SEe13 LJ66CFM 521 last seen at 19:23 28-04-2023 GAL SEe14 LJ66CFN 507 last seen at 00:30 29-04-2023 GAL SEe15 LJ66CFO 521 last seen at 20:28 27-04-2023 GAL SEe18 LJ66CFV 507 last seen at 18:42 28-04-2023 GAL SEe23 LJ66CGF 521 last seen at 00:15 29-04-2023 GAL SEe25 LJ66CGK 521 last seen at 00:12 29-04-2023 GAL SEe26 LJ66CGO 507 last seen at 01:26 29-04-2023 GAL SEe27 LJ66CGU 521 last seen at 19:52 28-04-2023 GAL SEe28 LJ66CGV 521 last seen at 00:12 29-04-2023 They are supposed to be running on route 108 from NX garage alongside the 2 that already run but it seems there is not enough charging capacity. Many thanks, I'd forgotten about the 108. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 14, 2024 10:46:37 GMT
17 diesels and hybrids have been on the 57 in the last 24 hours with electrics needing to charge, plus a few WVLs on the 157, and the 200 has only seen Me13/14/15/16/17 with the former disappearing completely and the others being sporadic. I doubt the Mes will be back in full force soon or that AL will have enough buses spare to supply the 217 entirely, but of course I don’t know what’s going on in there exactly. If not the LX11s I’d be happy to see LX09s or WVNs finally getting some high speed action  I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. There are appears to be 7 SEe off the road at AL at the moment, only one is listed as VOR. So at least on the single decker front they are stretched thin for EVs. As for the 57/157 AL could be having work done to install more chargers or perhaps the awkward design is making it difficult to access chargers properly. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 14, 2024 11:32:52 GMT
17 diesels and hybrids have been on the 57 in the last 24 hours with electrics needing to charge, plus a few WVLs on the 157, and the 200 has only seen Me13/14/15/16/17 with the former disappearing completely and the others being sporadic. I doubt the Mes will be back in full force soon or that AL will have enough buses spare to supply the 217 entirely, but of course I don’t know what’s going on in there exactly. If not the LX11s I’d be happy to see LX09s or WVNs finally getting some high speed action I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. I’m pretty certain that’s what’s gonna happen re the 200. Rumour has it GAL rejected the 2 year extension so it’s only got a year and a half left anyway, and is due to be awarded early ish next year. I’d be prepared to bet a significant amount of money it will be awarded with a fresh new set of electrics, running far away from Optare/Switch |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 14, 2024 11:40:10 GMT
I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. I’m pretty certain that’s what’s gonna happen re the 200. Rumour has it GAL rejected the 2 year extension so it’s only got a year and a half left anyway, and is due to be awarded early ish next year. I’d be prepared to bet a significant amount of money it will be awarded with a fresh new set of electrics, running far away from Optare/Switch I’d expect an award in mid-2025, although the official TfL documents will be for April 2025. We’ll soon know as the 2026/27 schedule should be released in the next few months. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 14, 2024 11:52:37 GMT
I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. There are appears to be 7 SEe off the road at AL at the moment, only one is listed as VOR. So at least on the single decker front they are stretched thin for EVs. As for the 57/157 AL could be having work done to install more chargers or perhaps the awkward design is making it difficult to access chargers properly. Another possibility could be faults with some of the existing chargers |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 14, 2024 12:00:02 GMT
I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. I’m pretty certain that’s what’s gonna happen re the 200. Rumour has it GAL rejected the 2 year extension so it’s only got a year and a half left anyway, and is due to be awarded early ish next year. I’d be prepared to bet a significant amount of money it will be awarded with a fresh new set of electrics, running far away from Optare/Switch I would say that depends on if they are leased or owned. If they are leased, very easy to not renew and get rid. If they've owned, and straight lined depreciation is used, that will be a potential loss of approx £200k per vehicles ... or £3.4m for 17. That would be a very brave finance director that signs off on that. |
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 14, 2024 12:03:10 GMT
I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. I’m pretty certain that’s what’s gonna happen re the 200. Rumour has it GAL rejected the 2 year extension so it’s only got a year and a half left anyway, and is due to be awarded early ish next year. I’d be prepared to bet a significant amount of money it will be awarded with a fresh new set of electrics, running far away from Optare/Switch Yeah, I would be incredibly surprised if this isn't what happens. GAL's deal with Wright also means that they won't need to order an irregular type for the 200 either (and the cost for the new buses will be cheaper too) - hopefully the 131/280 also get Electroliners, which would create a large common fleet at AL. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 14, 2024 12:10:03 GMT
I’m pretty certain that’s what’s gonna happen re the 200. Rumour has it GAL rejected the 2 year extension so it’s only got a year and a half left anyway, and is due to be awarded early ish next year. I’d be prepared to bet a significant amount of money it will be awarded with a fresh new set of electrics, running far away from Optare/Switch I would say that depends on if they are leased or owned. If they are leased, very easy to not renew and get rid. If they've owned, and straight lined depreciation is used, that will be a potential loss of approx £200k per vehicles ... or £3.4m for 17. That would be a very brave finance director that signs off on that. Here’s my extremely limited business knowledge coming into play: which is that I’d be surprised if they were owned. They were a one off batch of vehicles which to GAL were unproven at the time and ordered due to their preferred type (which they had a lot of experience with back in 2021, with the large batch of BYDs at NP, and mechanically similar single deckers) not being suitable, and no choice really anywhere else. So I would say it’s highly unlikely they’d put their money where their mouth is with an operator and product they’re not familiar with, so they can easily relinquish responsibility of the product should it turns out to be troublesome. It’s like a regular customer going to sink tons of money to own a brand new car outright without knowing what it’s like to own. I certainly wouldn’t go and hand over 25k on a brand new Kia having never driven or dealt with one of their products before, no matter how good people say they are |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 14, 2024 12:15:54 GMT
I’m pretty certain that’s what’s gonna happen re the 200. Rumour has it GAL rejected the 2 year extension so it’s only got a year and a half left anyway, and is due to be awarded early ish next year. I’d be prepared to bet a significant amount of money it will be awarded with a fresh new set of electrics, running far away from Optare/Switch I would say that depends on if they are leased or owned. If they are leased, very easy to not renew and get rid. If they've owned, and straight lined depreciation is used, that will be a potential loss of approx £200k per vehicles ... or £3.4m for 17. That would be a very brave finance director that signs off on that. Furthermore, if they are owned and GAL understandably want to get rid of them, surely GAL would be in a position to be compensated for receiving a frankly p*ss poor product? They’ve shown to be hugely defective vehicles so they shouldn’t really have to endure financial loss for wanting to reject a defective product |
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Post by cl54 on Oct 14, 2024 12:26:41 GMT
I would say that depends on if they are leased or owned. If they are leased, very easy to not renew and get rid. If they've owned, and straight lined depreciation is used, that will be a potential loss of approx £200k per vehicles ... or £3.4m for 17. That would be a very brave finance director that signs off on that. Furthermore, if they are owned and GAL understandably want to get rid of them, surely GAL would be in a position to be compensated for receiving a frankly p*ss poor product? They’ve shown to be hugely defective vehicles so they shouldn’t really have to endure financial loss for wanting to reject a defective product It depends on what the problem is. Could it be down to something that GAL specified? 3/4 are running in service now. If they show modifications have worked the rest may follow. |
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 14, 2024 12:28:46 GMT
I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. There are appears to be 7 SEe off the road at AL at the moment, only one is listed as VOR. So at least on the single decker front they are stretched thin for EVs. As for the 57/157 AL could be having work done to install more chargers or perhaps the awkward design is making it difficult to access chargers properly. I wonder if AL's poor maintenance is also coming into play here - compared to the electrics at other GAL garages, the ones at AL (the SEes in particular) seem to be in quite a poor condition. I have also seen quite a few faults with the LED blinds on AL's buses which I haven't seen on the buses from other garages. |
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