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Post by mark on Oct 27, 2024 13:56:00 GMT
I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? I would assume Go Ahead presented an electrification plan to TfL when they bid for the routes. I don’t think TfL would award the routes as EV on blind faith alone. SW will be wired up and planning is underway. As already noted its listed status will affect how this is undertaken. As regards listed status it’s worth noting that Heritage England has agreed to the installation of solar panels on the roof of WD. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 27, 2024 14:03:58 GMT
I would assume Go Ahead presented an electrification plan to TfL when they bid for the routes. I don’t think TfL would award the routes as EV on blind faith alone. SW will be wired up and planning is underway. As already noted its listed status will affect how this is undertaken. As regards listed status it’s worth noting that Heritage England has agreed to the installation of solar panels on the roof of WD. Thanks, I am already well aware of the struggles Go Ahead will face with SW. I mentioned it a while back after the 333 was awarded to GAL that there would likely be a delay due to Historic England needing to be consulted and included in any discussions involving electric conversion. They did for WD but as the SW listing is mostly based on the roof structure it’s very different. |
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Post by exbox on Oct 27, 2024 14:04:30 GMT
I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? What would be the alternative? Just not bid for any of their own SW routes until the garage was fully wired up, by which time all the work would be awarded to someone else? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 27, 2024 14:09:32 GMT
I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? Because it would then cause an unfair advantage to competitors. If Go Ahead can do it, which they will be able to then there's no reason to not take their word on it if the relevant evidence has been provided. This may likely be the first garage of many. The 425 will need to get BWs ball rolling now and I'm sure there's another listed garage too that escapes me at the moment. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 27, 2024 14:26:37 GMT
I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? Because it would then cause an unfair advantage to competitors. If Go Ahead can do it, which they will be able to then there's no reason to not take their word on it if the relevant evidence has been provided. This may likely be the first garage of many. The 425 will need to get BWs ball rolling now and I'm sure there's another listed garage too that escapes me at the moment. I believe the other is Ash Grove, although it has a certificate of immunity from Historic England and is not actually listed yet. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 27, 2024 14:29:06 GMT
Because it would then cause an unfair advantage to competitors. If Go Ahead can do it, which they will be able to then there's no reason to not take their word on it if the relevant evidence has been provided. This may likely be the first garage of many. The 425 will need to get BWs ball rolling now and I'm sure there's another listed garage too that escapes me at the moment. I believe the other is Ash Grove. Could very well explain the delays there as well. The D7 will soon be a year without its electrics, not the worst but also a considerable delay. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 27, 2024 14:32:23 GMT
I believe the other is Ash Grove. Could very well explain the delays there as well. The D7 will soon be a year without its electrics, not the worst but also a considerable delay. Sorry, just clarified in my post that it has a COI. Basically the garage is a potential future listing but the COI also helps prevent redevelopment on the site. But yes, Historic England may take an interest if parts of the garages layout needs to be changed or walls demolished etc. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 27, 2024 17:21:04 GMT
I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? What would be the alternative? Just not bid for any of their own SW routes until the garage was fully wired up, by which time all the work would be awarded to someone else? I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. |
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Post by PGAT on Oct 27, 2024 17:29:05 GMT
What would be the alternative? Just not bid for any of their own SW routes until the garage was fully wired up, by which time all the work would be awarded to someone else? I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. Usually because the existing vehicles are too old but in this case it's bizarre because 88, 333 and 355 could easily have gone for a 5 year contract with existing buses |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 27, 2024 17:32:02 GMT
Have definitely noticed since its reroute last year, the 1 has become extremely popular. Can’t speak for weekdays but at weekends its rammed pretty much all day. I wonder how many tourist punters are sucked in by it being ‘number 1’, probably does it quite a lot of favours tbh. Can’t remember the 168 ever being like this
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Post by vjaska on Oct 27, 2024 17:35:11 GMT
What would be the alternative? Just not bid for any of their own SW routes until the garage was fully wired up, by which time all the work would be awarded to someone else? I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. The new contract started last year so they have 6 or so years to fulfill the requirements and I’m sure it won’t take that long to sort despite the complexity of the situation |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 27, 2024 17:36:01 GMT
Have definitely noticed since its reroute last year, the 1 has become extremely popular. Can’t speak for weekdays but at weekends its rammed pretty much all day. I wonder how many tourist punters are sucked in by it being ‘number 1’, probably does it quite a lot of favours tbh. Can’t remember the 168 ever being like this Has it improved reliability wise as it was struggling when first introduced even before roadworks started along its routing? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 27, 2024 17:58:28 GMT
Have definitely noticed since its reroute last year, the 1 has become extremely popular. Can’t speak for weekdays but at weekends its rammed pretty much all day. I wonder how many tourist punters are sucked in by it being ‘number 1’, probably does it quite a lot of favours tbh. Can’t remember the 168 ever being like this Has it improved reliability wise as it was struggling when first introduced even before roadworks started along its routing? The last time I used the 1 (a couple of weeks ago) I was in a convoy of three 1s, so I think it’s still got problems. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 27, 2024 18:01:15 GMT
Have definitely noticed since its reroute last year, the 1 has become extremely popular. Can’t speak for weekdays but at weekends it’s rammed pretty much all day. I wonder how many tourist punters are sucked in by it being ‘number 1’, probably does it quite a lot of favours tbh. Can’t remember the 168 ever being like this Has it improved reliability wise as it was struggling when first introduced even before roadworks started along its routing? Seems to be running pretty okay from what I’ve seen, as someone posted above there’s still bunching (which is probably inevitable) but haven’t seen any majorly long waits for one |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 27, 2024 18:01:24 GMT
I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. Usually because the existing vehicles are too old but in this case it's bizarre because 88, 333 and 355 could easily have gone for a 5 year contract with existing buses If SW doesn't get electrified anytime soon it's quite possible the EV's could be based at another garage even if still worked by SW drivers. |
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