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Post by PGAT on Oct 26, 2024 21:03:03 GMT
Has there been actual confirmation that SW is being electrified? 88, 333 and 355 have been confirmed to be getting electrified so unless they somehow randomly migrated to another garage it is confirmed SW will need to be electrified |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 27, 2024 4:15:46 GMT
Has there been actual confirmation that SW is being electrified? No confirmation as far as I'm aware and the situation remains in limbo and we'll have to wait and see what happens. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 27, 2024 8:37:48 GMT
Has there been actual confirmation that SW is being electrified? I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. |
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Oct 27, 2024 10:28:49 GMT
What is the capacity for RR/DS/SI?
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 27, 2024 10:56:18 GMT
Has there been actual confirmation that SW is being electrified? I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? |
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Post by bustavane on Oct 27, 2024 11:02:40 GMT
Has there been actual confirmation that SW is being electrified? I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. On TfL's current trajectory, bus garages will either be electrified or be forced to close. SW is unlikely to close for the reasons given above. However, there have been rumours (often unfounded) that some garages cannot be electrified and face closure (e.g., DT, MG). I have seen a Facebook post (from a reliable source) claiming that MG is closing and that a new site in Charlton will be replacing it. Idle rumours? |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 27, 2024 11:11:02 GMT
I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? They awarded the contract for routes not necessarily from a certain garage or within a certain time frame (cough 358 cough). Not saying SW won’t go electric but nothing stopping Go Ahead moving routes around or even using the electrics on other routes with TfL approval like the plan was for a couple of Metroline routes. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 27, 2024 11:24:48 GMT
I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? I would assume Go Ahead presented an electrification plan to TfL when they bid for the routes. I don’t think TfL would award the routes as EV on blind faith alone. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 27, 2024 11:28:27 GMT
I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. On TfL's current trajectory, bus garages will either be electrified or be forced to close. SW is unlikely to close for the reasons given above. However, there have been rumours (often unfounded) that some garages cannot be electrified and face closure (e.g., DT, MG). I have seen a Facebook post (from a reliable source) claiming that MG is closing and that a new site in Charlton will be replacing it. Idle rumours? MG currently has permission until 2027 and there is a planning application to extend that until 2047. I think it’s incorrect to say MG cannot be electrified but rather Go Ahead may be unwilling to invest if the lease cannot be extended beyond 2027. RATP is in the same situation with RP, the routes could have been retained with EVs but without a long term site it makes it unviable to invest in. No company would invest millions just to see it torn down a couple of years later. Sure some equipment can be moved but it get costly to remove it and reinstall it. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 27, 2024 12:26:11 GMT
WVN17 has been spotted on route learning the 217.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 27, 2024 13:12:59 GMT
I am sure Stockwell will be electrified eventually. However being a Grade 2 Listed premises it will need specialised and sensitive planning that recognises and retains its special architectural features, and this will need to be signed off. This probably means it will go live later than most. I doubt it will be closed though, as the listing recognises Stockwell's significance as a purpose-designed and still-operational bus garage and there is not really any alternative use for it. It is the only Listed bus garage in London that is operational. I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? It's quite possible for routes to be awarded and reallocated to another garage. TfL may even be willing for the buses to be ordered against the contract and allocated to a different route, as it still helps TfL towards its overall net zero/zero emission targets. No doubt TfL are keeping an eye on the overall level of fleet replacement in all this. Hopefully we gat some clarity in this week's budget about TfL's financial settlement for 2025/2026, this will determine if TfL's aspiration to have a 100% zero-emission bus fleet by the end of 2030 will be echievable, or if it needs to be pushed back to 2032 or 2034. 2025/2026 will be the crucial year. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 27, 2024 13:14:31 GMT
I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? It's quite possible for routes to be awarded and reallocated to another garage. TfL may even be willing for the buses to be ordered against the contract and allocated to a different route, as it helps TfL towrds its overall net zero/zero emission targets. Hopefully we gat some clarity in this week's budget about TfL's financial settlement for 2025/2026, this will determine if TfL's aspiration to have a 100% zero-emission bus fleet by the end of 2030 will be echievable, or if it needs to be pushed back to 2032 or 2034. 2025/2026 will be the crucial year. We’ll also see if there’s also money for the Bakerloo line to get new trains, I think that’s the far more pressing issue tbh |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 27, 2024 13:17:53 GMT
It's quite possible for routes to be awarded and reallocated to another garage. TfL may even be willing for the buses to be ordered against the contract and allocated to a different route, as it helps TfL towrds its overall net zero/zero emission targets. Hopefully we gat some clarity in this week's budget about TfL's financial settlement for 2025/2026, this will determine if TfL's aspiration to have a 100% zero-emission bus fleet by the end of 2030 will be echievable, or if it needs to be pushed back to 2032 or 2034. 2025/2026 will be the crucial year. We’ll also see if there’s also money for the Bakerloo line to get new trains, I think that’s the far more pressing issue tbh I totally agree the Bakerloo Line needs new trains, let's see if Labour at both London and National level is brave enough to tie that into the Bakerloo Line extension getting the go-ahead. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 27, 2024 13:19:49 GMT
I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? It's quite possible for routes to be awarded and reallocated to another garage. TfL may even be willing for the buses to be ordered against the contract and allocated to a different route, as it still helps TfL towards its overall net zero/zero emission targets. No doubt TfL are keeping an eye on the overall level of fleet replacement in all this. Hopefully we gat some clarity in this week's budget about TfL's financial settlement for 2025/2026, this will determine if TfL's aspiration to have a 100% zero-emission bus fleet by the end of 2030 will be echievable, or if it needs to be pushed back to 2032 or 2034. 2025/2026 will be the crucial year. You really think that we will find out next week? Sadiq will continue to say he is aiming for 2030. He is clueless and refuses to accept any sense of reality. It will be left for the next mayor to face the reality and announce the finances (and probably manufacturing capacity, and maybe infrastructure requirements) do not allow it until 2034. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 27, 2024 13:54:46 GMT
It's quite possible for routes to be awarded and reallocated to another garage. TfL may even be willing for the buses to be ordered against the contract and allocated to a different route, as it helps TfL towrds its overall net zero/zero emission targets. Hopefully we gat some clarity in this week's budget about TfL's financial settlement for 2025/2026, this will determine if TfL's aspiration to have a 100% zero-emission bus fleet by the end of 2030 will be echievable, or if it needs to be pushed back to 2032 or 2034. 2025/2026 will be the crucial year. We’ll also see if there’s also money for the Bakerloo line to get new trains, I think that’s the far more pressing issue tbh I think a lot of the cost will depend on how soon money itself is also made available. If the wait is too long then TfL will need to go out to tender again for new trains. |
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