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Post by mark on Nov 12, 2024 8:26:06 GMT
There shouldn’t be any unallocated, the first 75 for the 321 (18), 101 (10), 333 (17), 473 (10) and SL4 (20), now plus another 38 for the 129 (25) and 320 (13) The Kites I find more interesting though: 53 Kites, where for? The 355 (14), 360 (12), 444 (13)and B16 (11)? Also the 289/399/389 and R11 will be interesting, considering the shortest Kite is 10.2 and they need around 9.6m length vehicles Good to see some variety back in the GAL fleet, but don’t think it’ll last after it’ll likely become another monotony, this time of endless Wright vehicles for at least the next couple of years This is confusing wasn’t 100 EBDs confirmed a while back? Nothing was officially confirmed. When the BD11 was launched there was press speculation about an order of around 100 buses from GAL. |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 12, 2024 9:55:26 GMT
There shouldn’t be any unallocated, the first 75 for the 321 (18), 101 (10), 333 (17), 473 (10) and SL4 (20), now plus another 38 for the 129 (25) and 320 (13) The Kites I find more interesting though: 53 Kites, where for? The 355 (14), 360 (12), 444 (13)and B16 (11)? Also the 289/399/389 and R11 will be interesting, considering the shortest Kite is 10.2 and they need around 9.6m length vehicles Good to see some variety back in the GAL fleet, but don’t think it’ll last after it’ll likely become another monotony, this time of endless Wright vehicles for at least the next couple of years This is confusing wasn’t 100 EBDs confirmed a while back? EBD86 was confirmed sighted at one of the British or Chinese docks |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 12, 2024 10:05:12 GMT
This is confusing wasn’t 100 EBDs confirmed a while back? EBD86 was confirmed sighted at one of the British or Chinese docks Surely there are 113 expected ... 75+38 which corresponds to the original announcement of over a hundred, and now all their allocated routes are known. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 12, 2024 10:08:46 GMT
EBD86 was confirmed sighted at one of the British or Chinese docks Surely there are 113 expected ... 75+38 which corresponds to the original announcement of over a hundred. There has never been a formal confirmation of numbers, merely media speculation of over 100. 113 is the current figure but it could be more than this. |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 12, 2024 10:13:23 GMT
EBD86 was confirmed sighted at one of the British or Chinese docks Surely there are 113 expected ... 75+38 which corresponds to the original announcement of over a hundred, and now all their allocated routes are known. I don't know how many are expected but the sighting of that bus proves they're already more than seventy-five already built |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 12, 2024 10:15:09 GMT
Surely there are 113 expected ... 75+38 which corresponds to the original announcement of over a hundred. There has never been a formal confirmation of numbers, merely media speculation of over 100. 113 is the current figure but it could be more than this. Taking into account that the 44/N44 and 77 awards are still pending |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 12, 2024 10:16:57 GMT
There has never been a formal confirmation of numbers, merely media speculation of over 100. 113 is the current figure but it could be more than this. Taking into account that the 44/N44 and 77 awards are still pending Let’s hope there is some news soon, I’m confident of a retention but there are no guarantees these days. The only bright spot is that the major rival Abellio may be full. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 12, 2024 10:35:30 GMT
Hopefully the 320 gets the 151’s Ee’s with BD11’s going to Sutton instead, though I say this without making any calculations so no idea if there’s enough of them to cover the 320 I suspect using Ees vs EBDs could be unworkable on the 320s - the extra range on the EBDs no doubt makes things more workable with less rotations for charging. I suspect the 57 will end up being fully Ee and 151 uses those booked WHVs The 151 is more than likely going to get a batch of Electroliners, with the Ees remaining on the 57 as you suggest (something I wonder is whether the remainder not needed on the 57 will move to C and give the 119 a fully electric allocation once the refurbs at Q are complete), and the WHVs used elsewhere. |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 12, 2024 10:43:21 GMT
Taking into account that the 44/N44 and 77 awards are still pending Let’s hope there is some news soon, I’m confident of a retention but there are no guarantees these days. The only bright spot is that the major rival Abellio may be full. I reckon the delay's leaning on the two firm's tug-of-war on the 44/N44 as Abellio/TUK may just about squeeze that in given part of the pvr's out all night on the N44. GAL on the other hand will have that group bid option that Abellio's very much unlikely to offer. Both firms have good ammunition for existing bus options with Go Ahead even able to replace those unreliable WSDs on the 44 if so desired. Abellio could provisionally spec the 20 plate E40D Smarts from the 270¹ if the firm can free them up in time from within their existing fleet ¹ - retained with upgrade to EVs |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 12, 2024 10:49:06 GMT
Let’s hope there is some news soon, I’m confident of a retention but there are no guarantees these days. The only bright spot is that the major rival Abellio may be full. I reckon the delay's leaning on the two firm's tug-of-war on the 44/N44 as Abellio/TUK may just about squeeze that in given part of the pvr's out all night on the N44. GAL on the other hand will have that group bid option that Abellio's very much unlikely to offer. Both firms have good ammunition of existing buses with Go Ahead even able to replace those unreliable WSDs if so desired. Abellio could provisionally spec the 20 plate E40D Smarts from the 270¹ if the firm can free them up in time from within their existing fleet ¹ - retained with upgrade to EVs QB is also at legal capacity (they will be one bus below it once the 196 leaves and 337/485/G1 move in), so if QB can physically fit these routes, the results may depend on Abellio purchasing more O-Licences for the garage first. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 12, 2024 11:14:19 GMT
I suspect using Ees vs EBDs could be unworkable on the 320s - the extra range on the EBDs no doubt makes things more workable with less rotations for charging. I suspect the 57 will end up being fully Ee and 151 uses those booked WHVs The 151 is more than likely going to get a batch of Electroliners, with the Ees remaining on the 57 as you suggest (something I wonder is whether the remainder not needed on the 57 will move to C and give the 119 a fully electric allocation once the refurbs at Q are complete), and the WHVs used elsewhere. I don't think Go Ahead would order an extra batch of EVs - it's probably more likely the 151 will just swap with another route, with something like the 280 using the 151's Ees? Of the routes requiring new DDs, the 99/172/280 have the same PVR as the 151. The 57 is only allocated around 8 WHVs, so wouldn't use the 151's Ees anyway if made permanent. The rest of the 151's Ees are currently at Q used on the 35, which indirectly released MHVs (from the 1) to contracts at other garages. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 12, 2024 11:25:12 GMT
The 151 is more than likely going to get a batch of Electroliners, with the Ees remaining on the 57 as you suggest (something I wonder is whether the remainder not needed on the 57 will move to C and give the 119 a fully electric allocation once the refurbs at Q are complete), and the WHVs used elsewhere. I don't think Go Ahead would order an extra batch of EVs - it's probably more likely the 151 will just swap with another route, with something like the 280 using the 151's Ees? The 57 is only allocated around 8 WHVs, so wouldn't use the 151's Ees anyway if made permanent. The rest of the 151's Ees are currently at Q used on the 35, which indirectly released MHVs (from the 1) to contracts at other garages. That's definitely a possibility, and would explain why they are at AL. The ones at Q I believe are refurb floats, and will probably move elsewhere soon. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 12, 2024 11:58:55 GMT
The 151 is more than likely going to get a batch of Electroliners, with the Ees remaining on the 57 as you suggest (something I wonder is whether the remainder not needed on the 57 will move to C and give the 119 a fully electric allocation once the refurbs at Q are complete), and the WHVs used elsewhere. I don't think Go Ahead would order an extra batch of EVs - it's probably more likely the 151 will just swap with another route, with something like the 280 using the 151's Ees? Of the routes requiring new DDs, the 99/172/280 have the same PVR as the 151. The 57 is only allocated around 8 WHVs, so wouldn't use the 151's Ees anyway if made permanent. The rest of the 151's Ees are currently at Q used on the 35, which indirectly released MHVs (from the 1) to contracts at other garages. I could see the 280 using the ex 151 with Ee's, the 131 having new BD11s to join the part 57, 152/163/164/219/413 as a largely BYD garage with just the WHVs and MEs being different. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 12, 2024 12:32:59 GMT
I don't think Go Ahead would order an extra batch of EVs - it's probably more likely the 151 will just swap with another route, with something like the 280 using the 151's Ees? The 57 is only allocated around 8 WHVs, so wouldn't use the 151's Ees anyway if made permanent. The rest of the 151's Ees are currently at Q used on the 35, which indirectly released MHVs (from the 1) to contracts at other garages. That's definitely a possibility, and would explain why they are at AL. The ones at Q I believe are refurb floats, and will probably move elsewhere soon. They can't move elsewhere though until some more hybrids transfer into Q for the rest of the 1's allocation. Perhaps the YW17 EHs currently at SW? |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 12, 2024 13:07:43 GMT
That's definitely a possibility, and would explain why they are at AL. The ones at Q I believe are refurb floats, and will probably move elsewhere soon. They can't move elsewhere though until some more hybrids transfer into Q for the rest of the 1's allocation. Perhaps the YW17 EHs currently at SW? Rest of the 1’s allocation? |
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