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Post by lonmark on Nov 18, 2024 14:18:17 GMT
oh dear! That is a very naughty bus driver!! He needs to make sure not to use the mobile phone while driving the bus! lesson learn! |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2024 14:26:24 GMT
Why would it cause problems if it didn't close dead on 11pm? The least worst solution would surely be a normal service until 11pm and diverted southbound via Tower Bridge after that? Because buses would have been withdrawn, leaving passengers without a service. When the BLackwall Tunnel is closed, TfL normally opt for a split service sending passengers north of the river to Canning Town for the Jubilee line interchange to North Greenwich. In times of emergency though, the 108 only operates between Lewisham and North Greenwich leaving no service on the rest of the route. The 108 is still very much an east London route and esppecially with the 108/D8 swap with Crisp Street, that is more passengers unserved. I am not fully aware of the details but I know it is annoying when the 108 spends most of the day not serving half its route, and no doubt causes problems for residents living in Poplar and on Carpenters Road. Surely if buses were due to divert via Tower Bridge after that time and the tunnel was still open they would use the tunnel as normal? |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2024 14:28:49 GMT
No excuse for that at all, fine and points fully justified. May not have been Go Ahead staff. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 18, 2024 14:33:46 GMT
Why would it cause problems if it didn't close dead on 11pm? The least worst solution would surely be a normal service until 11pm and diverted southbound via Tower Bridge after that? Because buses would have been withdrawn, leaving passengers without a service. When the BLackwall Tunnel is closed, TfL normally opt for a split service sending passengers north of the river to Canning Town for the Jubilee line interchange to North Greenwich. In times of emergency though, the 108 only operates between Lewisham and North Greenwich leaving no service on the rest of the route. The 108 is still very much an east London route and esppecially with the 108/D8 swap with Crisp Street, that is more passengers unserved. I am not fully aware of the details but I know it is annoying when the 108 spends most of the day not serving half its route, and no doubt causes problems for residents living in Poplar and on Carpenters Road. Like others you are also ignoring the point the tunnel was open all day. I am giving up trying to debate this any further. If people it’s fine to curtail a bus service when a road is open then I honestly give up. |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 18, 2024 14:38:38 GMT
No excuse for that at all, fine and points fully justified. May not have been Go Ahead staff. Shocked this has gone viral, no doubt the traffic commissioner is already aware of this… Plus on the M25 as well how disappointing on a personal note this is what I don’t like about some people on the Motorway using phones have seen lorries doing this too… |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 18, 2024 14:39:44 GMT
No excuse for that at all, fine and points fully justified. May not have been Go Ahead staff. This might not even be a Go Ahead vehicle, it might be a Metroline one? |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 18, 2024 14:42:59 GMT
No excuse for that at all, fine and points fully justified. May not have been Go Ahead staff. This might not even be a Go Ahead vehicle, it might be a Metroline one? Its a Go Ahead vehicle you can see the seating but it is very blurred plus many are being built and delivered frequently. |
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Post by exbox on Nov 18, 2024 14:48:13 GMT
I don't know the exact answer but again if the tunnel wasn't closed dead on 11pm it would still cause problems. Whilst I never controlled the 108 myself I am all too familiar with what happens when the Blackwall tunnel is closed, even late at night. Back in my day the 108 did indeed run the last few buses over Tower Bridge but it was a pointless exercise. Everyone got off so the buses sat in traffic carrying fresh air over Tower Bridge and the service from each end fell apart. Certainly you could give the last few buses extra running time but nobody would be willing to pay the duty cost, and there would be additional problems if the tunnel closure didn't go ahead. Then you'd have buses running half an hour early and would run into problems with stand capacity etc. In short there is no perfect solution but the least worst is to advertise a service that you know you can operate. Why would it cause problems if it didn't close dead on 11pm? The least worst solution would surely be a normal service until 11pm and diverted southbound via Tower Bridge after that? Because the schedule will have been written around an 11pm closure and so any bus due at the tunnel entrance at 2301 would be scheduled to diverted. Drivers can't take the chance and so the diversion would come in whether the tunnel was closed or not. Then everyone would get off and the bus would sit in traffic at midnight with nobody aboard - so anyone who wants to travel north from Lewisham would be out of luck. |
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Post by exbox on Nov 18, 2024 14:50:04 GMT
Because buses would have been withdrawn, leaving passengers without a service. When the BLackwall Tunnel is closed, TfL normally opt for a split service sending passengers north of the river to Canning Town for the Jubilee line interchange to North Greenwich. In times of emergency though, the 108 only operates between Lewisham and North Greenwich leaving no service on the rest of the route. The 108 is still very much an east London route and esppecially with the 108/D8 swap with Crisp Street, that is more passengers unserved. I am not fully aware of the details but I know it is annoying when the 108 spends most of the day not serving half its route, and no doubt causes problems for residents living in Poplar and on Carpenters Road. Like others you are also ignoring the point the tunnel was open all day. I am giving up trying to debate this any further. If people it’s fine to curtail a bus service when a road is open then I honestly give up. Do you expect drivers to attempt to use the tunnel to see if it's open? And what happens if they get it wrong and the tunnel is closed? The service has to be curtailed otherwise you will have no service. |
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Post by exbox on Nov 18, 2024 14:51:36 GMT
No excuse for that at all, fine and points fully justified. May not have been Go Ahead staff. It'll be some agency bod who will not be engaged in this particular work in future. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 18, 2024 14:52:49 GMT
No excuse for that at all, fine and points fully justified. May not have been Go Ahead staff. Shocked this has gone viral, no doubt the traffic commissioner is already aware of this… Plus on the M25 as well how disappointing on a personal note this is what I don’t like about some people on the Motorway using phones have seen lorries doing this too… It hasn’t really gone viral, a few thousand people seeing it and a few retweets isn’t a viral post. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2024 14:56:04 GMT
Why would it cause problems if it didn't close dead on 11pm? The least worst solution would surely be a normal service until 11pm and diverted southbound via Tower Bridge after that? Because the schedule will have been written around an 11pm closure and so any bus due at the tunnel entrance at 2301 would be scheduled to diverted. Drivers can't take the chance and so the diversion would come in whether the tunnel was closed or not. Then everyone would get off and the bus would sit in traffic at midnight with nobody aboard - so anyone who wants to travel north from Lewisham would be out of luck. The driver can either go through the tunnel as usual if it's open or follow the diversion route via Tower Bridge. I wouldn't assume everyone would get off at that time of night anyway, if the bus is scheduled to go to Lewisham it should go there even if it does arrive late. The bus would have to cross the river anyway to get back to MG. |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 18, 2024 14:56:41 GMT
Shocked this has gone viral, no doubt the traffic commissioner is already aware of this… Plus on the M25 as well how disappointing on a personal note this is what I don’t like about some people on the Motorway using phones have seen lorries doing this too… It hasn’t really gone viral, a few thousand people seeing it and a few retweets isn’t a viral post. It is on the internet as I’m aware it’s gone viral and has been seen by many… |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 18, 2024 14:59:08 GMT
It hasn’t really gone viral, a few thousand people seeing it and a few retweets isn’t a viral post. It is on the internet as I’m aware it’s gone viral… That isn’t what going viral means. It isn’t just sticking it in the internet. It would go viral if millions or even hundreds of thousands engage in it. A couple of thousand people, a few retweets and appearing on a very niche hobby website does not make it viral. |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 18, 2024 15:02:10 GMT
oh dear! That is a very naughty bus driver!! He needs to make sure not to use the mobile phone while driving the bus! lesson learn! "GoAhead and send that NIP in the post, Sarge!"   |
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