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Post by SILENCED on Nov 18, 2024 15:03:00 GMT
Because the schedule will have been written around an 11pm closure and so any bus due at the tunnel entrance at 2301 would be scheduled to diverted. Drivers can't take the chance and so the diversion would come in whether the tunnel was closed or not. Then everyone would get off and the bus would sit in traffic at midnight with nobody aboard - so anyone who wants to travel north from Lewisham would be out of luck. The driver can either go through the tunnel as usual if it's open or follow the diversion route via Tower Bridge. I wouldn't assume everyone would get off at that time of night anyway, if the bus is scheduled to go to Lewisham it should go there even if it does arrive late. The bus would have to cross the river anyway to get back to MG. What if hits his driving hours and has to dump the bus? |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 18, 2024 15:04:29 GMT
It is on the internet as I’m aware it’s gone viral… That isn’t what going viral means. It isn’t just sticking it in the internet. It would go viral if millions or even hundreds of thousands engage in it. A couple of thousand people, a few retweets and appearing on a very niche hobby website does not make it viral. It is on the internet it is now viral end of discussion… Does not need mass attention as far as I am aware it’s debatable… |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2024 15:05:49 GMT
The driver can either go through the tunnel as usual if it's open or follow the diversion route via Tower Bridge. I wouldn't assume everyone would get off at that time of night anyway, if the bus is scheduled to go to Lewisham it should go there even if it does arrive late. The bus would have to cross the river anyway to get back to MG. What if hits his driving hours and has to dump the bus? It would seem unlikely but that could happen in the event of any disruption. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 18, 2024 15:05:54 GMT
That isn’t what going viral means. It isn’t just sticking it in the internet. It would go viral if millions or even hundreds of thousands engage in it. A couple of thousand people, a few retweets and appearing on a very niche hobby website does not make it viral. It is on the internet it is now viral end of discussion… Does not need mass attention as far as I am aware it’s debatable… ,through%20social%20media%20and%20email. Not viral but ok boomer. |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 18, 2024 15:16:32 GMT
My use of the word It only seems to bother you though as no one cares… |
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Post by exbox on Nov 18, 2024 15:39:48 GMT
What if hits his driving hours and has to dump the bus? It would seem unlikely but that could happen in the event of any disruption. It's a long time ago now but when a lorry collided with the Blackwall Tunnel southbound side at about 1530 on a winter Tuesday there was a 108 which was diverted via Tower Bridge and still hadn't reached Tower Bridge by the time the bus was abandoned by the driver around 2300. I was controlling at SD that evening and we had genuine gridlock - not just the routes you'd expect around Bow and Whitechapel but the entire borough of Newham came to a halt too. Drivers were losing their entire first or second half due to traffic. I gave the biggest traffic curtailment I'd ever given - 4 rounders due to traffic to one (un)fortunate driver on the P14. That was an unplanned closure at the worst possible time but go along the Highway at midnight to see just how much traffic the 108 has to get through when it is diverted via the Tower. |
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 18, 2024 15:41:18 GMT
Because buses would have been withdrawn, leaving passengers without a service. When the BLackwall Tunnel is closed, TfL normally opt for a split service sending passengers north of the river to Canning Town for the Jubilee line interchange to North Greenwich. In times of emergency though, the 108 only operates between Lewisham and North Greenwich leaving no service on the rest of the route. The 108 is still very much an east London route and esppecially with the 108/D8 swap with Crisp Street, that is more passengers unserved. I am not fully aware of the details but I know it is annoying when the 108 spends most of the day not serving half its route, and no doubt causes problems for residents living in Poplar and on Carpenters Road. Like others you are also ignoring the point the tunnel was open all day. I am giving up trying to debate this any further. If people it’s fine to curtail a bus service when a road is open then I honestly give up. I wasn't ignoring anything, I was just explaining the frustration when the 108 is nowhere to be seen in east London. You already know the answer to your question: schedules cannot be changed at the drop of a hat and TfL/NX found out too late about the tunnel reopening to do anything. Yes it is annoying but the logistics surrounding the reinstatement of the 108's service is what's stopped Go Ahead. Asimple example would be not having enough drivers on duty as only half needed for Lewisham- North Greenwich. Instances like these show how the 108 is arguably the most difficult route to run in London. |
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 18, 2024 15:43:11 GMT
Because buses would have been withdrawn, leaving passengers without a service. When the BLackwall Tunnel is closed, TfL normally opt for a split service sending passengers north of the river to Canning Town for the Jubilee line interchange to North Greenwich. In times of emergency though, the 108 only operates between Lewisham and North Greenwich leaving no service on the rest of the route. The 108 is still very much an east London route and esppecially with the 108/D8 swap with Crisp Street, that is more passengers unserved. I am not fully aware of the details but I know it is annoying when the 108 spends most of the day not serving half its route, and no doubt causes problems for residents living in Poplar and on Carpenters Road. Surely if buses were due to divert via Tower Bridge after that time and the tunnel was still open they would use the tunnel as normal? At night/evenings the delay via Tower Bridge would be tolerable. During the day, forget it! That is why TfL opt to send the 108 to Canning Town north of the river instead when there is disruption. |
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Post by mark on Nov 18, 2024 15:51:53 GMT
Like others you are also ignoring the point the tunnel was open all day. I am giving up trying to debate this any further. If people it’s fine to curtail a bus service when a road is open then I honestly give up. I wasn't ignoring anything, I was just explaining the frustration when the 108 is nowhere to be seen in east London. You already know the answer to your question: schedules cannot be changed at the drop of a hat and TfL/NX found out too late about the tunnel reopening to do anything. Yes it is annoying but the logistics surrounding the reinstatement of the 108's service is what's stopped Go Ahead. Asimple example would be not having enough drivers on duty as only half needed for Lewisham- North Greenwich. Instances like these show how the 108 is arguably the most difficult route to run in London. I’m not sure if it’s still the case but I have a vague recollection that there used to be a different performance regime in place for the 108 simply because it was so difficult to operate. |
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 18, 2024 16:11:56 GMT
I wasn't ignoring anything, I was just explaining the frustration when the 108 is nowhere to be seen in east London. You already know the answer to your question: schedules cannot be changed at the drop of a hat and TfL/NX found out too late about the tunnel reopening to do anything. Yes it is annoying but the logistics surrounding the reinstatement of the 108's service is what's stopped Go Ahead. Asimple example would be not having enough drivers on duty as only half needed for Lewisham- North Greenwich. Instances like these show how the 108 is arguably the most difficult route to run in London. I’m not sure if it’s still the case but I have a vague recollection that there used to be a different performance regime in place for the 108 simply because it was so difficult to operate. You are correct. From 2010 for about 3 years SI used to run extras on the 108 between Stratford and Blackwall Tunnel, North Side due to Tube strikes. Note it didn't fully make it to North Greenwich bar once, and that was because SI drivers were not route trained south of the river. People were excited to see that arrangement going forward, but it never came to be and SI were using buses off the 276/300/D6 which needed them for their own operations. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2024 16:29:06 GMT
Surely if buses were due to divert via Tower Bridge after that time and the tunnel was still open they would use the tunnel as normal? At night/evenings the delay via Tower Bridge would be tolerable. During the day, forget it! That is why TfL opt to send the 108 to Canning Town north of the river instead when there is disruption. That was my point, the tunnel was closed from 23.00 so no daytime diversion needed. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2024 16:43:07 GMT
No excuse for that at all, fine and points fully justified. May not have been Go Ahead staff. This might not even be a Go Ahead vehicle, it might be a Metroline one? It's a Go-Ahead vehicle as the notice on the window has writing on with the fleet number EBD |
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Post by exbox on Nov 18, 2024 16:53:12 GMT
At night/evenings the delay via Tower Bridge would be tolerable. During the day, forget it! That is why TfL opt to send the 108 to Canning Town north of the river instead when there is disruption. That was my point, the tunnel was closed from 23.00 so no daytime diversion needed. It's an enormous diversion and even at 2300 you will be 30 minutes late arriving at each end and the service will be in chaos. Fortunately the 108 isn't exactly a touristy route and I'd imagine that the hardy souls who use it late at night are largely regulars and know the score. The point is that if you have tunnel closed schedules you have to run them even if the tunnel stays open. |
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Post by mark on Nov 18, 2024 17:04:07 GMT
Thats an awesome looking bus, looks brand new rather than 10 years old!! That citaro design has aged very well It has to be said that they’ve had a fairly easy life trundling around Luton airport! |
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Post by mark on Nov 18, 2024 17:07:39 GMT
When I say take the pressure off I said it in the sense that it offers Newham borough another alternative to get to the south side of the river. For those living around Beckton as an example using a bus only, rather than taking the bus to either Stratford or Canning Town to then get the 115 to Poplar for the 108 they can (from next year) take the 129 instead. Also you got to remember they're in the process of making the 108 electric so if the Blackwall tunnel goes down as the Silvertown Tunnel will be zero emissions for buses it would cut out the need (unless that tunnel also goes down as well at the same time in which that would be simply unlucky on both fronts) to do it's shorts to Canning Town. Of course you still have your traditional folks on the Bow end of the 108 I think electrics only refers to the routes that are routed through the tunnel regularly, I would imagine an exception would be made for diesels on a diverted route if necessary and from day 1 a diversion through the Silvertown would be allowed if necessary because of the Blackwall shutting. What will be interesting to see is what the plan with the 129 and SL4 will be if the Silvertown shuts. Silvertown is a dual bore tunnel so I would imagine that, unless there was a major incident, only one bore at a time would be closed with contra flow through the other. |
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