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Post by TB123 on Jun 19, 2020 21:43:34 GMT
You'd be quite surprised how much of an impact it can have - especially if a queue for a bus spills onto the pavement and makes social distancing awkward there. Each transfer voucher probably takes 30 seconds. If you have say ten of those off a curtailed bus it adds up. I'm not entirely convinced of the merits of suspending them but I can see some of the logic in doing so Isn't it just the case that the cab is sealed so there is no way a driver could hand over a Transfer ticket to a passenger without opening the cab door? The notice that TB123 originally attached indicates that the One More Journey ticket will still print out but is to be disposed by the driver later, as I presume the passenger can't access it to tear it off themselves. I'd assume it's something like that - but I wonder what happens when a RPI boards
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Post by richard on Jun 19, 2020 23:36:07 GMT
I know this is a bus forum but this intrests me thus us very odd
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 23:51:34 GMT
I know this is a bus forum but this intrests me thus us very odd Interesting find. Could be protest related. Most of which end ( or even start with )serious disorder.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 20, 2020 0:13:00 GMT
I know this is a bus forum but this intrests me thus us very odd Interesting find. Could be protest related. Most of which end ( or even start with )serious disorder. Maybe they are sending the Apaches in to enforce social distancing!!!!!!!
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Post by richard on Jun 20, 2020 0:44:05 GMT
I know this is a bus forum but this intrests me thus us very odd Interesting find. Could be protest related. Most of which end ( or even start with )serious disorder. Its very odd to do this for a protest normally its for a terrorist incident or training of some sort.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 20, 2020 7:31:03 GMT
I can understand teachers concerns - many schools aren't built to modern standards and can be quite difficult to do effective social distancing even if it dropped to 1m and if I had kids, I would think twice about sending them back to school personally The infection level is now at level 3, most children will have missed nearly 6 months of school by September. This will have lasting damage! Teachers are playing politics. And parents aren't? Just 25% of the children who were eligible to return to school on 1st June did so. Their parents don't trust the Government either. It's quite ironic that you frequently call out the lack of social distancing in East London (without much apparent insight as to why it happens), and yet when the teaching unions try to do the same thing, you turn condemnatory. And while we are on teaching, let's have more education about politics. As we live in a democracy, the more people that can make informed choices the better.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 20, 2020 7:53:56 GMT
The infection level is now at level 3, most children will have missed nearly 6 months of school by September. This will have lasting damage! Teachers are playing politics. And parents aren't? Just 25% of the children who were eligible to return to school on 1st June did so. Their parents don't trust the Government either. It's quite ironic that you frequently call out the lack of social distancing in East London (without much apparent insight as to why it happens), and yet when the teaching unions try to do the same thing, you turn condemnatory. And while we are on teaching, let's have more education about politics. As we live in a democracy, the more people that can make informed choices the better. It's not a case of not trusting the government, who are of course guided by medical scientists, it's more a fear of the unknown. A lot of parents feel their children are safer not going to school and understandably so and of course all the back seat experts calling for the 2m rule to be relaxed will disappear back into the woodwork if another wave of Covid-19 arrives. If significant numbers of people aren't complying with existing social distancing rules then relaxing them further doesn't seem a good idea.
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Post by Pilot on Jun 20, 2020 8:06:04 GMT
As a driver, i don't miss school kids at all, so the more they are on lockdown the better. /rant
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Post by snowman on Jun 20, 2020 8:40:28 GMT
And parents aren't? Just 25% of the children who were eligible to return to school on 1st June did so. Their parents don't trust the Government either. It's quite ironic that you frequently call out the lack of social distancing in East London (without much apparent insight as to why it happens), and yet when the teaching unions try to do the same thing, you turn condemnatory. And while we are on teaching, let's have more education about politics. As we live in a democracy, the more people that can make informed choices the better. It's not a case of not trusting the government, who are of course guided by medical scientists, it's more a fear of the unknown. A lot of parents feel their children are safer not going to school and understandably so and of course all the back seat experts calling for the 2m rule to be relaxed will disappear back into the woodwork if another wave of Covid-19 arrives. If significant numbers of people aren't complying with existing social distancing rules then relaxing them further doesn't seem a good idea. The problem with the 2m rule is it is arbitrary, and kept simple. There is a lot of evidence that having same distance for a child and older person is not science based as vulnerability increases with age. There is also increasing evidence that the physiological and emotional damage of children not going back is higher than risk of death from Covid. A number of scientists now pointing out child suicide has risen more than number of child deaths from Covid. I think only 3 or 4 school age children have died from Covid (and they may have had other medical conditions), it’s now being said that lack of education could still be having effects in 10-20 years. There are too many children who are vulnerable to other nasty things (abuse, drugs, gangs etc) that can be hidden whilst there isn’t the routine of schools. On balance it’s a no brainier that children should go back as soon as possible, even if closer than 2m
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Post by greenboy on Jun 20, 2020 8:47:12 GMT
It's not a case of not trusting the government, who are of course guided by medical scientists, it's more a fear of the unknown. A lot of parents feel their children are safer not going to school and understandably so and of course all the back seat experts calling for the 2m rule to be relaxed will disappear back into the woodwork if another wave of Covid-19 arrives. If significant numbers of people aren't complying with existing social distancing rules then relaxing them further doesn't seem a good idea. The problem with the 2m rule is it is arbitrary, and kept simple. There is a lot of evidence that having same distance for a child and older person is not science based as vulnerability increases with age. There is also increasing evidence that the physiological and emotional damage of children not going back is higher than risk of death from Covid. A number of scientists now pointing out child suicide has risen more than number of child deaths from Covid. I think only 3 or 4 school age children have died from Covid (and they may have had other medical conditions), it’s now being said that lack of education could still be having effects in 10-20 years. There are too many children who are vulnerable to other nasty things (abuse, drugs, gangs etc) that can be hidden whilst there isn’t the routine of schools. On balance it’s a no brainier that children should go back as soon as possible, even if closer than 2m Yes I fully appreciate that there are a whole range of other problems caused by keeping children off school and that they themselves are at very little risk of Covid-19. The greater fear is of them carrying the virus and infecting other family members.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 8:50:32 GMT
The infection level is now at level 3, most children will have missed nearly 6 months of school by September. This will have lasting damage! Teachers are playing politics. And parents aren't? Just 25% of the children who were eligible to return to school on 1st June did so. Their parents don't trust the Government either. It's quite ironic that you frequently call out the lack of social distancing in East London (without much apparent insight as to why it happens), and yet when the teaching unions try to do the same thing, you turn condemnatory. And while we are on teaching, let's have more education about politics. As we live in a democracy, the more people that can make informed choices the better. Excuse me I have lived in East London all my life and very aware of the situation and will always defend the people and will always defend those on low income and need to use transport so get off that high horse! My point about the buses was maybe more resources are needed or drivers need to try and keep a control on passenger numbers! Not hard really at the start of a route at say Stratford is it??? I see a rammed 104 at the second stop! I work with teachers and know for a fact what is going on its pure politics no ifs no buts! These very teachers risk other people losing jobs including me so yeah maybe I'm a bit selfish in my rant but its getting a joke now when the country is opening up.
It is disappointing that people are quick to try and belittle those who have different views either personally or politicly here.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 20, 2020 9:05:20 GMT
The problem with the 2m rule is it is arbitrary, and kept simple. There is a lot of evidence that having same distance for a child and older person is not science based as vulnerability increases with age. There is also increasing evidence that the physiological and emotional damage of children not going back is higher than risk of death from Covid. A number of scientists now pointing out child suicide has risen more than number of child deaths from Covid. I think only 3 or 4 school age children have died from Covid (and they may have had other medical conditions), it’s now being said that lack of education could still be having effects in 10-20 years. There are too many children who are vulnerable to other nasty things (abuse, drugs, gangs etc) that can be hidden whilst there isn’t the routine of schools. On balance it’s a no brainier that children should go back as soon as possible, even if closer than 2m Yes I fully appreciate that there are a whole range of other problems caused by keeping children off school and that they themselves are at very little risk of Covid-19. The greater fear is of them carrying the virus and infecting other family members. But what damage are you doing to the futures of hundreds of thousands of kids by ruining their education.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 20, 2020 10:21:43 GMT
Yes I fully appreciate that there are a whole range of other problems caused by keeping children off school and that they themselves are at very little risk of Covid-19. The greater fear is of them carrying the virus and infecting other family members. But what damage are you doing to the futures of hundreds of thousands of kids by ruining their education. If only there was a way for children to learn at home... Oh wait
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 20, 2020 11:38:06 GMT
It's not a case of not trusting the government, who are of course guided by medical scientists, it's more a fear of the unknown. A lot of parents feel their children are safer not going to school and understandably so and of course all the back seat experts calling for the 2m rule to be relaxed will disappear back into the woodwork if another wave of Covid-19 arrives. If significant numbers of people aren't complying with existing social distancing rules then relaxing them further doesn't seem a good idea. The problem with the 2m rule is it is arbitrary, and kept simple. There is a lot of evidence that having same distance for a child and older person is not science based as vulnerability increases with age. There is also increasing evidence that the physiological and emotional damage of children not going back is higher than risk of death from Covid. A number of scientists now pointing out child suicide has risen more than number of child deaths from Covid. I think only 3 or 4 school age children have died from Covid (and they may have had other medical conditions), it’s now being said that lack of education could still be having effects in 10-20 years. There are too many children who are vulnerable to other nasty things (abuse, drugs, gangs etc) that can be hidden whilst there isn’t the routine of schools. On balance it’s a no brainier that children should go back as soon as possible, even if closer than 2m I think the issue is not so much the children being in close contact, should they get Coronavirus the cast majority are still likely to be fine. Sadly it's reached a case where deaths are being minimised as opposed to being completely avoided. However the bigger issue is a child catching a mild form of the disease and then passing it onto vulnerable people at home. The paper released by Imperial did however show that school closures would have had minimum impact on overall death rate - however was ultimately done to minimise everything as far as possible. The huge issue now arising is the sheer inequality of education levels when children go back. At University level people join from different backgrounds and a whole year is spent getting people back onto one level, this is going to be impossible to achieve in schools as the curriculum doesn't give a year leeway at any point. Year 10s and Year 12s are going to suffer a lot for their exams, I think that those year groups should have lessons through August and I think the vast majority of those actually in those year groups would be up for it knowing the effects it will have on them in the long term future otherwise. A more worrying impact of this is now for the current Year 12s, Universities are showing extremely high deferral rates and places for 2021 entry are filling up while the Y12s have even had a chance to get onto the UCAS process yet when they really should already have been getting drafts of personal statements ready.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 20, 2020 11:38:29 GMT
Interesting find. Could be protest related. Most of which end ( or even start with )serious disorder. Its very odd to do this for a protest normally its for a terrorist incident or training of some sort. I wonder if it's due to a worry about flares and fireworks being set off and in turn affecting press choppers.
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