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Post by vjaska on Jun 19, 2020 12:57:50 GMT
Afraid I disagree with your changing routes section - whilst networks must adapt, the majority of changes we have seen over the last few years have been for the worst not better and it’s quite clear to see how unloved the TfL bus network is. But the TfL bus network is the envy of most other UK cities .... which city would you rather London's was modelled on? That’s not what my comment was about - my comment was specifically replying to the point regarding adaptation and had nothing to do with modelling or being the envy of other cities at all. The core network is still great but it’s being weakened all the time by TfL who are moving in the wrong direction - that doesn’t mean I want them stripped of running buses before I’m accused of that but to wake up & smell the coffee.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 19, 2020 18:01:52 GMT
Transfer tickets, "one more journey" option and UFRs to Attachment Deleted be temporarily suspended
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 19, 2020 19:53:35 GMT
Transfer tickets, "one more journey" option and UFRs to View Attachment be temporarily suspended Why on earth are they removing transfer tickets? Hell nah are people going to be paying again if the bus is curtailed Don't mention hopper fare because not every journey is under 70 minutes
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Post by greenboy on Jun 19, 2020 19:55:18 GMT
Transfer tickets, "one more journey" option and UFRs to View Attachment be temporarily suspended Why on earth are they removing transfer tickets? Hell nah are people going to be paying again if the bus is curtailed Don't mention hopper fare because not every journey is under 70 minutes They're temporarily suspended because of Covid-19.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 19, 2020 19:55:34 GMT
Transfer tickets, "one more journey" option and UFRs to View Attachment be temporarily suspended Why on earth are they removing transfer tickets? Hell nah are people going to be paying again if the bus is curtailed Don't mention hopper fare because not every journey is under 70 minutes Means there's no need to loiter by the drivers cab now - improving safety. Also maximising revenue. Amount of people who wouldn't be subject to hopper fare is very small however.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 19, 2020 20:11:10 GMT
Why on earth are they removing transfer tickets? Hell nah are people going to be paying again if the bus is curtailed Don't mention hopper fare because not every journey is under 70 minutes Means there's no need to loiter by the drivers cab now - improving safety. Also maximising revenue. Amount of people who wouldn't be subject to hopper fare is very small however. The drivers are protected & have been for months now so loitering isn't a particularly good reason.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 19, 2020 20:17:47 GMT
Means there's no need to loiter by the drivers cab now - improving safety. Also maximising revenue. Amount of people who wouldn't be subject to hopper fare is very small however. The drivers are protected & have been for months now so loitering isn't a particularly good reason. Didn't say it was to do with the drivers but namely passengers being able to keep their distance whilst boarding, allowing a smooth flow - I'm very aware the driver assault screens are secured.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 19, 2020 20:25:59 GMT
I noticed this while on a bus and it really annoyed me as well! The park has a 'lane' for cyclists that runs along the whole of park lane anyway, there's no need for a cycle lane, they can just use the park! The good thing is that it is a temporary measure and it will go back to normal after this virus nonsense is all over. Unfortunately TfL have lost the plot as have many boroughs. We are literally in an 'emergency' and we need clear head thinking and not knee jerk reactions. Changes need to be properly thought through and the consequences properly understood and the best choices taken. I get that we need to encourage people back to the West End now lockdown has been eased, but do TfL and the boroughs understand this properly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of 2m social distancing, and arguably it is going to be difficult to get the economy going again on 2m social distancing, it is a fact that this is what we have. If we are to have wide enough pavements to allow 2m social distancing to encourage people to come back, and make changes accordingly, we then have to think how people are going to get the West End? Buses and tubes are being discouraged, even more so for cars, so what are people supposed to do? Walk and cycle? Those that think that is the answer are in a dream world, never mind those who can't cycle or have mobility issues, many simply live too far away. Are people expected to walk and carry their heavy shopping home, or somehow balance their bags (probably unsafely) on their bike? The people who might be encouraged to walk or cycle at this stage are the office workers, but for the foreseeable future they'll be working from home. Now take Park Lane. I seem to recollect that it might just be next to a large park, Hyde Park I think!!! There's already a cycle path in Hyde Park between Marble Arch and Hyde Park Corner if I remember correctly. Would it not make more sense to expand this to cater for cyclists. They would be safer and surely the route would be more pleasant. Surely it would also provide a nicer walking route? That is how I would have dealt with Park Lane, leave it is it was and use Hyde Park. To get the economy going we need to get London and the West End open and this isn't going to do that. The changes to the congestion charge will restrict business and the economy as will changing roads like Park Lane from three lanes to one. If normal traffic comes back, it'll be queuing to get around Marble Arch or Hyde Park Corner and onto Park Lane. The bus lane won't particularly help because the problem buses will have may well be reaching Park Lane in the first place! I wonder if we'll see a relatively empty West End simply because people can't get there so easily. Now don't get me wrong, I am not against cycling and walking, far from it, I want to encourage these modes of transport, but not at the expense of everything else. It's perfectly possible not just to encourage cycling and walking, but to do it without it being solely at the expense of other means of travel. It's called balance and looking at the whole picture and consequences. For me London remains closed, and will continue to do so while tubes and buses remain a discouraged form of transport. As for being a temporary measure don't bet on it. I get the impression those in power want it to stay, it is only temporary because they can't make it permanent quickly enough given the consultation etc that would be required. Office workers I doubt will always work from home - companies still want their co workers to work together in an environment where they aren't separated by a screen though we will start to see office workers slowly go back into work maybe not as much, I'd say from a few polls I have seen the majority are happy to go in 2-3 times a week. There is also the fact that some due to working from home may obviously find it easier working in an office dependant on the role and some companies may believe their workers are more productive in an office situation and are slacking a bit at home. Unfortunately this whole cycling phenomenon I cannot see continue for long, we will start to see more traffic and actually for a lot of local roads leading to these cycle routes it may be deemed more unsafe. This is not what money should be invested into at this present time and though it may not cost lots, I deem it more so appropriate to try and save routes from being cut. Merging routes such as the N52+N297, 507+C1, extending the 4 back to Waterloo or Aldwych (stands could be built on Melbourne Place) and withdrawing the 521, options like these are ones that should most definitely be considered. Small amendments like cutting the N205 at Stratford City, withdrawing the N159 and extending the N109 to Marble Arch, they could most definitely be options considered. The N65 could always be cut off at Hook Parade given usage beyond there is not as visual as some may see. Office workers are not those that I deem to want to take bicycles into work unless they live within close proximity to their office, normally office workers attire is not the most appropriate to be cycling in (tight trousers and shirts) and cycling in the summer could be unbearable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 20:56:50 GMT
Why on earth are they removing transfer tickets? Hell nah are people going to be paying again if the bus is curtailed Don't mention hopper fare because not every journey is under 70 minutes Means there's no need to loiter by the drivers cab now - improving safety. Also maximising revenue. Amount of people who wouldn't be subject to hopper fare is very small however. I get what you saying but really how long does it take a driver to press a button for the ticket to be issued.
Controversial comment alert - This is getting a bit silly now, Unions are too powerful during this pandemic. Seems bus drivers and teachers onto a good thing.
Sorry its a bit of a negative rant.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 19, 2020 21:20:45 GMT
Means there's no need to loiter by the drivers cab now - improving safety. Also maximising revenue. Amount of people who wouldn't be subject to hopper fare is very small however. I get what you saying but really how long does it take a driver to press a button for the ticket to be issued.
Controversial comment alert - This is getting a bit silly now, Unions are too powerful during this pandemic. Seems bus drivers and teachers onto a good thing.
Sorry its a bit of a negative rant.
You'd be quite surprised how much of an impact it can have - especially if a queue for a bus spills onto the pavement and makes social distancing awkward there. Each transfer voucher probably takes 30 seconds. If you have say ten of those off a curtailed bus it adds up. I'm not entirely convinced of the merits of suspending them but I can see some of the logic in doing so
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Post by vjaska on Jun 19, 2020 21:30:33 GMT
Means there's no need to loiter by the drivers cab now - improving safety. Also maximising revenue. Amount of people who wouldn't be subject to hopper fare is very small however. I get what you saying but really how long does it take a driver to press a button for the ticket to be issued.
Controversial comment alert - This is getting a bit silly now, Unions are too powerful during this pandemic. Seems bus drivers and teachers onto a good thing.
Sorry its a bit of a negative rant.
I can understand teachers concerns - many schools aren't built to modern standards and can be quite difficult to do effective social distancing even if it dropped to 1m and if I had kids, I would think twice about sending them back to school personally
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 21:34:00 GMT
I get what you saying but really how long does it take a driver to press a button for the ticket to be issued.
Controversial comment alert - This is getting a bit silly now, Unions are too powerful during this pandemic. Seems bus drivers and teachers onto a good thing.
Sorry its a bit of a negative rant.
You'd be quite surprised how much of an impact it can have - especially if a queue for a bus spills onto the pavement and makes social distancing awkward there. Each transfer voucher probably takes 30 seconds. If you have say ten of those off a curtailed bus it adds up. I'm not entirely convinced of the merits of suspending them but I can see some of the logic in doing so Never really seen more than a couple of people ask for a ticket so not sure of the issue, not even sure how often it happens in a average week. Seems passengers get the raw end of the deal everytime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 21:35:33 GMT
I get what you saying but really how long does it take a driver to press a button for the ticket to be issued.
Controversial comment alert - This is getting a bit silly now, Unions are too powerful during this pandemic. Seems bus drivers and teachers onto a good thing.
Sorry its a bit of a negative rant.
I can understand teachers concerns - many schools aren't built to modern standards and can be quite difficult to do effective social distancing even if it dropped to 1m and if I had kids, I would think twice about sending them back to school personally The infection level is now at level 3, most children will have missed nearly 6 months of school by September. This will have lasting damage! Teachers are playing politics.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 19, 2020 21:38:31 GMT
I can understand teachers concerns - many schools aren't built to modern standards and can be quite difficult to do effective social distancing even if it dropped to 1m and if I had kids, I would think twice about sending them back to school personally The infection level is now at level 3, most children have missed nearly 6 months of school. This will have lasting damage! Teachers are playing politics. I agree with you and as the sibling of someone in the civil service on the education side, the very hard work of civil servants on school reopenings (15hr days) is being trashed by useless politicans and the blob of out of touch vested interests.
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Post by PaulH on Jun 19, 2020 21:40:58 GMT
I get what you saying but really how long does it take a driver to press a button for the ticket to be issued.
Controversial comment alert - This is getting a bit silly now, Unions are too powerful during this pandemic. Seems bus drivers and teachers onto a good thing.
Sorry its a bit of a negative rant.
You'd be quite surprised how much of an impact it can have - especially if a queue for a bus spills onto the pavement and makes social distancing awkward there. Each transfer voucher probably takes 30 seconds. If you have say ten of those off a curtailed bus it adds up. I'm not entirely convinced of the merits of suspending them but I can see some of the logic in doing so Isn't it just the case that the cab is sealed so there is no way a driver could hand over a Transfer ticket to a passenger without opening the cab door? The notice that TB123 originally attached indicates that the One More Journey ticket will still print out but is to be disposed by the driver later, as I presume the passenger can't access it to tear it off themselves.
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