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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 4, 2022 22:33:06 GMT
It's basically useless now since the cut to Elephant & Castle. TFL could've at least sent it to Blackfriars or Farringdon And you use said route and live along it? I do and it's certainly not useless I think there are probably a few reasons why the 45 doesn’t get the love. One is cachet : an 11, 12, 14, 24 or even a 74 it ain’t. It won’t attract the media attention like other routes will. It’s also largely covered by other services, even now. Appreciate that the local links are important to the local populace, but in the current scenario, the 45 was unfortunately a pretty low hanging fruit, and an easy sacrifice. It’s a pity it can’t be extended somewhere : the 45 in better times would have been ripe for it. But of all the total withdrawals, in my eyes, the most doomed of the lot is the 45. It will surely fade gently into that goodnight, and, unfortunately, that will be that.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2022 0:04:20 GMT
And you use said route and live along it? I do and it's certainly not useless I think there are probably a few reasons why the 45 doesn’t get the love. One is cachet : an 11, 12, 14, 24 or even a 74 it ain’t. It won’t attract the media attention like other routes will. It’s also largely covered by other services, even now. Appreciate that the local links are important to the local populace, but in the current scenario, the 45 was unfortunately a pretty low hanging fruit, and an easy sacrifice. It’s a pity it can’t be extended somewhere : the 45 in better times would have been ripe for it. But of all the total withdrawals, in my eyes, the most doomed of the lot is the 45. It will surely fade gently into that goodnight, and, unfortunately, that will be that. I understand that and have no issue with anything you said but I do not appreciate someone else like the previous poster who is stating something that is completely false when saying it's basically useless. I don't suspect it to get the love simply because that would just be my luck among anything else
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Post by greg on Jun 5, 2022 1:27:41 GMT
Interesting question, of all the proposed route withdrawals and changes, which one(s) do you think is going to attract the very fiercest amount of opposition against being withdrawn/changed? While probably all of the 11, 12, 14, 19, 24, 31, 53, 74 and even the 78 are going to face a monumental backlash, I think the 24 and the Hampstead lot above all are going to absolutely go to war with TfL over it. Having looked around the interwebs over the past few days, I think most of the changes have received a backlash to a greater or lesser extent, but there seems to have been particular vitriol for the loss of the 4, 12 and 31, as well as the southern end of the 78. 31 seems to be getting attention from the youngsters only from all those schools it passes by and housing estates. As from me though, Its the route i use to school and I have seen a few snapchat stories and tiktok posts. It really is one of NW London's trunk routes even for areas it doesnt serve as the 31 is quite known and popular for residents along Westway, Harlesden which the route doesnt even serve. I would say the 189 changes arent as bad which is the reason for lower backlash. 113 lost cause however. 24 seems to be getting the most
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Post by rjbarrett5 on Jun 5, 2022 1:32:14 GMT
Interesting question, of all the proposed route withdrawals and changes, which one(s) do you think is going to attract the very fiercest amount of opposition against being withdrawn/changed? While probably all of the 11, 12, 14, 19, 24, 31, 53, 74 and even the 78 are going to face a monumental backlash, I think the 24 and the Hampstead lot above all are going to absolutely go to war with TfL over it. Having looked around the interwebs over the past few days, I think most of the changes have received a backlash to a greater or lesser extent, but there seems to have been particular vitriol for the loss of the 4, 12 and 31, as well as the southern end of the 78. To be honest, a lot of the backlash is due to people not realising that these links will be replaced (other than the Nunhead section of the 78 which baffles me) I assume that to rectify this they will simply renumber 148 to 12 and maybe 388 to 78
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Post by M1104 on Jun 5, 2022 10:54:51 GMT
Having looked around the interwebs over the past few days, I think most of the changes have received a backlash to a greater or lesser extent, but there seems to have been particular vitriol for the loss of the 4, 12 and 31, as well as the southern end of the 78. To be honest, a lot of the backlash is due to people not realising that these links will be replaced (other than the Nunhead section of the 78 which baffles me) I assume that to rectify this they will simply renumber 148 to 12 and maybe 388 to 78 Not quite all links replaced as for two examples Peckham and most of the Putney areas still stand to lose direct day bus links with the heart of the West End.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 5, 2022 18:56:44 GMT
I understand TFL’s financial situation since the pandemic means they’re forced to make cuts but I was thinking that rhetoric of recycling capacity to outer London seems to have been quietly dropped
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 1:49:52 GMT
Of the total withdrawals, the 45 seems to have least love. It's basically useless now since the cut to Elephant & Castle. TFL could've at least sent it to Blackfriars or Farringdon Incorrect the 45 provides a very useful link between Clapham Park/Brixton hill and Brixton hill/ camberwell( for Kings college) there also many schools in the East Brixton area that would be affected by the loss of the 45
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 4:23:35 GMT
It's basically useless now since the cut to Elephant & Castle. TFL could've at least sent it to Blackfriars or Farringdon Incorrect the 45 provides a very useful link between Clapham Park/Brixton hill and Brixton hill/ camberwell( for Kings college) there also many schools in the East Brixton area that would be affected by the loss of the 45 No he's not incorrect at all, it's been pretty obvious since the 45 was shortened a few years ago that it wasn't going to last, it's little more than a duplication of the 35. The P4 could possibly be extended to Clapham Park but otherwise I'd expect this to go ahead with very little opposition. Are three routes needed between Brixton and Camberwell? Not really and even if they are an extension of the 118 would be better giving a direct link from Streatham to King's College hospital and Camberwell.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 6, 2022 9:51:38 GMT
Incorrect the 45 provides a very useful link between Clapham Park/Brixton hill and Brixton hill/ camberwell( for Kings college) there also many schools in the East Brixton area that would be affected by the loss of the 45 No he's not incorrect at all, it's been pretty obvious since the 45 was shortened a few years ago that it wasn't going to last, it's little more than a duplication of the 35. The P4 could possibly be extended to Clapham Park but otherwise I'd expect this to go ahead with very little opposition. Are three routes needed between Brixton and Camberwell? Not really and even if they are an extension of the 118 would be better giving a direct link from Streatham to King's College hospital and Camberwell. And once again, you have no idea what your on about because the person your quoting is correct. Those links are important locally and the P4 doesn’t serve Kings College as I’ve already outlined so extending it doesn’t solve anything. You have no clue about Brixton so I’d suggest not to bother commenting on it in future
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 11:27:08 GMT
Incorrect the 45 provides a very useful link between Clapham Park/Brixton hill and Brixton hill/ camberwell( for Kings college) there also many schools in the East Brixton area that would be affected by the loss of the 45 No he's not incorrect at all, it's been pretty obvious since the 45 was shortened a few years ago that it wasn't going to last, it's little more than a duplication of the 35. The P4 could possibly be extended to Clapham Park but otherwise I'd expect this to go ahead with very little opposition. Are three routes needed between Brixton and Camberwell? Not really and even if they are an extension of the 118 would be better giving a direct link from Streatham to King's College hospital and Camberwell. Streatham residents would more often find themselves being referred to St Georges which is much closer than Kings college so extending the 118 would be unwise, I used the 45 first hand after the cut and it provides an important round the corner link with Brixton hill and southwark. Not to mention removing the 45 removes much needed capacity from Brixton hill, routes like 45 and 59 act as relief for routes coming into Brixton from populated areas such as Streatham , Thornton Heath and beyond
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 6, 2022 11:39:40 GMT
No he's not incorrect at all, it's been pretty obvious since the 45 was shortened a few years ago that it wasn't going to last, it's little more than a duplication of the 35. The P4 could possibly be extended to Clapham Park but otherwise I'd expect this to go ahead with very little opposition. Are three routes needed between Brixton and Camberwell? Not really and even if they are an extension of the 118 would be better giving a direct link from Streatham to King's College hospital and Camberwell. Streatham residents would more often find themselves being referred to St Georges which is much closer than Kings college so extending the 118 would be unwise, I used the 45 first hand after the cut and it provides an important round the corner link with Brixton hill and southwark. Not to mention removing the 45 removes much needed capacity from Brixton hill, routes like 45 and 59 act as relief for routes coming into Brixton from populated areas such as Streatham , Thornton Heath and beyond And yet Streatham has no direct link to St George’s. Residents are forced to change buses to get themselves there. Besides most referrals these days give you options. For example my doctors surgery can offer referrals to Kingston, St Helier, Epsom and St George’s, I know someone who got a referral as far a field as St Peters in Chertsey. So the system is far more selective, it’s only when you get really specialised that your choice is limited.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 6, 2022 11:39:52 GMT
No he's not incorrect at all, it's been pretty obvious since the 45 was shortened a few years ago that it wasn't going to last, it's little more than a duplication of the 35. The P4 could possibly be extended to Clapham Park but otherwise I'd expect this to go ahead with very little opposition. Are three routes needed between Brixton and Camberwell? Not really and even if they are an extension of the 118 would be better giving a direct link from Streatham to King's College hospital and Camberwell. Streatham residents would more often find themselves being referred to St Georges which is much closer than Kings college so extending the 118 would be unwise, I used the 45 first hand after the cut and it provides an important round the corner link with Brixton hill and southwark. Not to mention removing the 45 removes much needed capacity from Brixton hill, routes like 45 and 59 act as relief for routes coming into Brixton from populated areas such as Streatham , Thornton Heath and beyond Exactly this, nice to see someone appreciate how useful it is. I also use it primarily to access Kings as well as the doctors surgery on Streatham Place - also provides a link between the two institutions too
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Post by vjaska on Jun 6, 2022 11:43:41 GMT
Streatham residents would more often find themselves being referred to St Georges which is much closer than Kings college so extending the 118 would be unwise, I used the 45 first hand after the cut and it provides an important round the corner link with Brixton hill and southwark. Not to mention removing the 45 removes much needed capacity from Brixton hill, routes like 45 and 59 act as relief for routes coming into Brixton from populated areas such as Streatham , Thornton Heath and beyond And yet Streatham has no direct link to St George’s. Residents are forced to change buses to get themselves there. Besides most referrals these days give you options. For example my doctors surgery can offer referrals to Kingston, St Helier, Epsom and St George’s, I know someone who got a referral as far a field as St Peters in Chertsey. So the system is far more selective, it’s only when you get really specialised that your choice is limited. That shouldn’t be used as a reason to remove a link elsewhere though - the Streatham situation could easily be rectified if TfL really wanted to do it by extending the 333 even if it literally had to just loop around the roads at the hospital without standing and just hesitate at a stop instead. We don’t get referrals going that far, usually it’s between the three hospitals in my local trust but that depends on the department as you say
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Post by darz on Jun 6, 2022 11:49:11 GMT
Streatham residents would more often find themselves being referred to St Georges which is much closer than Kings college so extending the 118 would be unwise, I used the 45 first hand after the cut and it provides an important round the corner link with Brixton hill and southwark. Not to mention removing the 45 removes much needed capacity from Brixton hill, routes like 45 and 59 act as relief for routes coming into Brixton from populated areas such as Streatham , Thornton Heath and beyond And yet Streatham has no direct link to St George’s. Residents are forced to change buses to get themselves there. Besides most referrals these days give you options. For example my doctors surgery can offer referrals to Kingston, St Helier, Epsom and St George’s, I know someone who got a referral as far a field as St Peters in Chertsey. So the system is far more selective, it’s only when you get really specialised that your choice is limited. Streatham has the G1 which arguably needs a capacity increase
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 6, 2022 11:54:24 GMT
And yet Streatham has no direct link to St George’s. Residents are forced to change buses to get themselves there. Besides most referrals these days give you options. For example my doctors surgery can offer referrals to Kingston, St Helier, Epsom and St George’s, I know someone who got a referral as far a field as St Peters in Chertsey. So the system is far more selective, it’s only when you get really specialised that your choice is limited. Streatham has the G1 which arguably needs a capacity increase But it doesn’t serve most of Streatham beyond St Leonards, it’s not suitable. A simple swapping of the 264 and 333 would resolve this problem.
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