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Post by greenboy on Aug 29, 2022 14:41:15 GMT
Arriva at Dartford seem, like many at the moment, to be very short of drivers. The 269 is probably the worst service at DT currently, it has been very poor of late, and too many 229s get as far as Erith and are never seen again for lack of a driver. If Arriva can’t run the service properly, TFL should strip the contract away from them and offer it to Stagecoach or Go Ahead. I agree in principle but it seems that many other operators are in a similar position with driver shortages.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 29, 2022 14:46:15 GMT
Arriva at Dartford seem, like many at the moment, to be very short of drivers. The 269 is probably the worst service at DT currently, it has been very poor of late, and too many 229s get as far as Erith and are never seen again for lack of a driver. If Arriva can’t run the service properly, TFL should strip the contract away from them and offer it to Stagecoach or Go Ahead. You do realise every bus company is in the same situation with driver shortages? Arriva gets such a negative response here.
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Post by TB123 on Aug 29, 2022 14:49:33 GMT
If Arriva can’t run the service properly, TFL should strip the contract away from them and offer it to Stagecoach or Go Ahead. You do realise every bus company is in the same situation with driver shortages? Arriva gets such a negative response here. Hardly. People point out criticisms for every operator on here. Arriva's performance generally continues to be excellent across the board so little cause for concern. This isn't the case with others like RATP
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 29, 2022 14:59:00 GMT
You do realise every bus company is in the same situation with driver shortages? Arriva gets such a negative response here. Hardly. People point out criticisms for every operator on here. Arriva's performance generally continues to be excellent across the board so little cause for concern. This isn't the case with others like RATP On that we are definitely agreed. Dartford are mildly struggling compared to RATP. There is something thoroughly rotten inside RATP at the moment far beyond staff shortage.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 29, 2022 15:03:50 GMT
Hardly. People point out criticisms for every operator on here. Arriva's performance generally continues to be excellent across the board so little cause for concern. This isn't the case with others like RATP On that we are definitely agreed. Dartford are mildly struggling compared to RATP. There is something thoroughly rotten inside RATP at the moment far beyond staff shortage. I think there's a general shortage of drivers in Dartford area with so many distribution centres and such like struggling to recruit drivers.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 29, 2022 15:23:42 GMT
You do realise every bus company is in the same situation with driver shortages? Arriva gets such a negative response here. Hardly. People point out criticisms for every operator on here. Arriva's performance generally continues to be excellent across the board so little cause for concern. This isn't the case with others like RATP This is going to get really boring if you start picking me up on every post. I am staying and would ask you to keep out of my way and I’ll do likewise I can’t say in any other nicer terms! As for the other operators comments that’s not true at all. Arriva does get a lot of negative comments as did Tower Transit! I am not going around in circles for point scoring.
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Post by george on Aug 29, 2022 16:04:44 GMT
If Arriva can’t run the service properly, TFL should strip the contract away from them and offer it to Stagecoach or Go Ahead. You do realise every bus company is in the same situation with driver shortages? Arriva gets such a negative response here. I don't think that's true, I can think of only recently RATP getting negative responses for their running of the 235 and Abellio with the 322 and 111. I don't think people have it in for one operator as a whole on this forum they just point out local routes they have had problems with. So maybe Arriva do get a negative response but it's certainly not exclusive to them.
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Post by Dillon95 on Aug 29, 2022 17:20:20 GMT
If Arriva can’t run the service properly, TFL should strip the contract away from them and offer it to Stagecoach or Go Ahead. Many garages are short of drivers at the moment not just DT, MG are also very short I have heard. Stripping the route away at short notice will not happen. Who is to say that the firms you mentioned cannot fully staff the route either. Stagecoach have staffing issues at the moment too... If there are staffing issues nothing can be done except recruit more staff. In addition you really have time to wait 1 hour. I would have checked the countdown instead and gone an alternative route. I shouldn’t have to use an alternative route. Why should I go out of my way to Eltham or Orpington, and get 2 buses and go all around the moon when there’s one that’s supposed to run directly there? They literally skipped 3 buses. Shocking service. It was much better when Stagecoach ran it.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 29, 2022 17:47:33 GMT
Many garages are short of drivers at the moment not just DT, MG are also very short I have heard. Stripping the route away at short notice will not happen. Who is to say that the firms you mentioned cannot fully staff the route either. Stagecoach have staffing issues at the moment too... If there are staffing issues nothing can be done except recruit more staff. In addition you really have time to wait 1 hour. I would have checked the countdown instead and gone an alternative route. I shouldn’t have to use an alternative route. Why should I go out of my way to Eltham or Orpington, and get 2 buses and go all around the moon when there’s one that’s supposed to run directly there? They literally skipped 3 buses. Shocking service. It was much better when Stagecoach ran it. What you choose to do is entirely up to you. Yes it should run but did not sorry you were inconvenienced. In that hour you were standing there you could have even taken a 160 then a 162. If say for example 5000 drivers resigned tomorrow all across London it would affect every company and pretty much many services.
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Post by Dillon95 on Aug 29, 2022 18:11:43 GMT
I shouldn’t have to use an alternative route. Why should I go out of my way to Eltham or Orpington, and get 2 buses and go all around the moon when there’s one that’s supposed to run directly there? They literally skipped 3 buses. Shocking service. It was much better when Stagecoach ran it. What you choose to do is entirely up to you. Yes it should run but did not sorry you were inconvenienced. In that hour you were standing there you could have even taken a 160 then a 162. If say for example 5000 drivers resigned tomorrow all across London it would affect every company and pretty much many services. Yeah and then I would had to have got off and waited for another bus that comes every 20 minutes. Tedious. I shouldn’t have to. That’s what the 269 is there for.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 29, 2022 18:26:23 GMT
What you choose to do is entirely up to you. Yes it should run but did not sorry you were inconvenienced. In that hour you were standing there you could have even taken a 160 then a 162. If say for example 5000 drivers resigned tomorrow all across London it would affect every company and pretty much many services. Yeah and then I would had to have got off and waited for another bus that comes every 20 minutes. Tedious. I shouldn’t have to. That’s what the 269 is there for. Does not mean you would actually wait 20 minutes. Who is to say that bus arrives a few minutes after you got to that stop this is where you do not see the logic.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 29, 2022 19:02:17 GMT
What you choose to do is entirely up to you. Yes it should run but did not sorry you were inconvenienced. In that hour you were standing there you could have even taken a 160 then a 162. If say for example 5000 drivers resigned tomorrow all across London it would affect every company and pretty much many services. Yeah and then I would had to have got off and waited for another bus that comes every 20 minutes. Tedious. I shouldn’t have to. That’s what the 269 is there for. I don’t think DT 11 is trying to defend the 269 service, but he (and indeed I) would recommend what I call ‘the commuter shuffle’ : get the first bus (or train) heading roughly in the direction you are going in, and change as necessary. Waiting for ages for a 269 when multiple 229s pass is not a good use of anyone’s time, for example - I’d just like to get moving.
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Post by Dillon95 on Aug 29, 2022 19:22:25 GMT
Yeah and then I would had to have got off and waited for another bus that comes every 20 minutes. Tedious. I shouldn’t have to. That’s what the 269 is there for. I don’t think DT 11 is trying to defend the 269 service, but he (and indeed I) would recommend what I call ‘the commuter shuffle’ : get the first bus (or train) heading roughly in the direction you are going in, and change as necessary. Waiting for ages for a 269 when multiple 229s pass is not a good use of anyone’s time, for example - I’d just like to get moving. A 299 isn’t gonna get me out of Sidcup and towards Bromley. We gave up in the end and went shopping somewhere else. It’s a good job I wasn’t going to work!
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Post by WH241 on Aug 29, 2022 19:26:39 GMT
I don’t think DT 11 is trying to defend the 269 service, but he (and indeed I) would recommend what I call ‘the commuter shuffle’ : get the first bus (or train) heading roughly in the direction you are going in, and change as necessary. Waiting for ages for a 269 when multiple 229s pass is not a good use of anyone’s time, for example - I’d just like to get moving. A 299 isn’t gonna get me out of Sidcup and towards Bromley. What do you suggest then as a solution. Just say hypothetically GAL or Stagecoach take over the service tomorrow but have the same staff issues.
I am sorry to say this but things like this are likely to get worse as more drivers leave and companies struggle to recruit. There are also issues with the DVLA that are causing issues with licenses for new applicants.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 29, 2022 19:34:43 GMT
I don’t think DT 11 is trying to defend the 269 service, but he (and indeed I) would recommend what I call ‘the commuter shuffle’ : get the first bus (or train) heading roughly in the direction you are going in, and change as necessary. Waiting for ages for a 269 when multiple 229s pass is not a good use of anyone’s time, for example - I’d just like to get moving. A 299 isn’t gonna get me out of Sidcup and towards Bromley. We gave up in the end and went shopping somewhere else. It’s a good job I wasn’t going to work! It's been a few years since a 299 was in Sidcup 😆 I'd have probably got the train although it's two changes and connections never seem to work out very well.
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